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CLion Is Now Free for Non-Commercial Use

594 Punktevon AlexeyBrinvor 1 Tag

43 comments

paxysvor 1 Tag
It&#x27;s wild to me that Jetbrains has been making so many top-tier IDEs, languages, runtimes and other developer products for 25 years now and is valued at <i>maybe</i> $5B, meanwhile we have months-old &quot;pre-revenue&quot; startups releasing AI coding wrappers and raising money or being bought out for twice that.
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hbnvor 1 Tag
I&#x27;m super happy JetBrains has been opening up all their editors to offer free access for non-commercial use. I&#x27;ve never made any money off of my occasional side projects, so I could never justify the cost to pay for a license when I may go an entire year without using. But I really love their editors - their key mappings are an extension of me at this point, it&#x27;s so smart about figuring out how the code works and letting you find usages or refactor without thinking, and their git UI is basically the only way I find git tolerable.<p>I may or may not have been abusing the fact that my university let me keep my email address as an alumni to squeeze more years out of their free access for students, though that seemed to stop working for me at some point a year or 2 ago. But I&#x27;ll happily take this instead!
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geophilevor 1 Tag
This is a love letter to JetBrains.<p>I started using Intellij with the 3.0 version, I think. It just worked, even on Linux. (It was existence proof that you could build excellent UIs in Java.) Unlike Eclipse, and other forgotten IDEs that were so bad I discarded them immediately. Even early on, their refactorings were usually flawless. While I think I found one screwup, they were so good that they changed the way I coded. I could easily and reliably do refactorings that were otherwise pretty time-consuming and error-prone. I have continued using their products: mostly PyCharm now, and occasionally CLion.<p>Each new release improves the UI, and occasionally adds features that I find useful, and many that I don&#x27;t. I suspect that I&#x27;m not alone in using a very tiny portion of the features they offer. How they can keep up with all the languages, and libraries, and frameworks is beyond me, but they seem to do it.<p>Their support has always been excellent. I once (v4?) complained that refactorings did not extend into configurations. E.g., if I rename a class Foo to Bar, then the runtime configuration running Foo didn&#x27;t reflect the change. I reported it, and found a fix in the next release. Email with technical questions or bug reports is always handled promptly and thoughtfully.<p>They have always provided absolutely fantastic products for free. Yes, you gave up some features, but the free versions are really useful. I&#x27;m retired now, but continue to pay their licensing fees every year, for my hobby usage, because it&#x27;s worth it, and they earn it. And the licensing is not onerous to use. What I really like is that you don&#x27;t have to be on the internet to use their products, just for the license check. I wish all licensed products did that.<p>And beyond all this: <i>They haven&#x27;t sold out.</i> They are one of the very, very few for-profit tech companies that have maintained a stellar level of product breadth, depth, quality, and support for such a long period of time. I&#x27;m sure they could have cashed in, sold to IBM and the product would have just rotted away, (sorry, IBM, but you know it&#x27;s true). I can only think of one product that is comparable in this way, and that&#x27;s Postgres.<p>Thank you, JetBrains, you have Figured It Out.
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the__alchemistvor 1 Tag
These are so interesting. From my perspective using PyCharm and RustRover: By far the best code editors, in terms of introspection and refactoring. The only ones I&#x27;ve used that model my <i>projects</i> correctly; VsCode and Sublime etc make it feel like I&#x27;m editing <i>files</i>, where are IMO the wrong abstraction.<p>I experience major performance problems. They periodically bring my 9950 CPU to a crawl, or freeze, requiring a force-kill. (RustRover more so than PyCharm, but both are guilty). Memory hogs. (Feels like they leak memory). This is consistent behavior over the years, across a range of project styles.<p>I put up with the performance problems because of my first point!<p>The interesting&#x2F;amusing part to me: My experiences do not seem wholly consistent with other users: Many users seem to find these IDEs heavy, but don&#x27;t experience the freezes, crashes, or memory leaks. And many (most?) people claim VsCode is fine for managing multi-file projects. I don&#x27;t know what to think!
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discmonkeyvor 1 Tag
Assuming that the plugin is enabled for the free version, CLion is also amazing for Rust. Thanks Jetbrains!<p>Here&#x27;s hoping this won&#x27;t be abused by smaller companies that will no longer want to pay for the actual subscription. I also wonder if they are moving towards a different funding model, since the IDE space is pretty competitive with a free alternative (VSCode) out there.
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inetknghtvor 1 Tag
Oh hell yeah! I used CLion about 6 or 7 years ago at my job, and it was a pretty <i>great</i> product for small projects. It used to slow down really bad for a medium-sized project though and I switched to VSCode.<p>I&#x27;ve since moved on to new employers, but I&#x27;d love to check it out again.<p>&gt; <i>It’s important to note that, if you’re using a non-commercial license, you cannot opt out of the collection of anonymous usage statistics. We use this information to improve our products.</i><p>Well, it&#x27;s basically true for MS-branded VSCode too. I now use VSCodium.<p>But I&#x27;m heavily against Microsoft. I don&#x27;t <i>like</i> usage statistics collection, but at least this is a direct competitor to Microsoft.<p>I had a chance to speak to some of the JetBrains folk at CppCon a couple years back. It was really nice and reassuring.<p>I&#x27;ll check it out for personal projects and see if it&#x27;s improved since years ago. :)
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1over137vor 1 Tag
Free version sends telemetry with no opt-out.
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perrygeovor 1 Tag
As good as LSP and other tooling has gotten recently, there are some C++ projects that just need a proprietary IDE for proper code navigation and completion. A lot of times my choice is a) spend 3 hours debugging why neovim&#x27;s LSP is putting squiggly lines everywhere or b) just fire up CLion.
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Alifatiskvor etwa 9 Stunden
Very cool and I am quite thankful for Jetbrains free contribution! I understand peoples concern with telemetry but I can understand that there is some kind of trade-off from a free product, my wish is that they do the same with RubyMine.<p>Another thing I would like to discuss is this (it&#x27;s kind flimsy so bear with me), Jetbrains IDEs are good and clean. One thing I dislike with these IDEs is that they do a lot in the background that feels like is outside of my control. I can&#x27;t really point my finger exactly to where this feeling is coming from but I only get that impression when I use these heavy IDEs.<p>Say I want my development environment &#x2F; settings &#x2F; workspace config to be easily replicated and configured when someone new joins the project, will their Jetbrains IDE recognize it and prompt the user to adapt? Because that is one thing I enjoy with vscode, EVERYTHING is under my control and I can see what everything does. The buttons that runs different tasks can easily be viewed on .vscode&#x2F;tasks.json, all config is within the .vscode folder!<p>In Jetbrains IDEs, some things are local only and you have to ask the peers to screenshare which config they had. I don&#x27;t want that, I want the whole workspace to be easily replicated and shared.<p>I know Jetbrains is working on Fleet, I&#x27;ve been trying it out a couple of times and I like it, I hope they take this into their consideration.
pasoevivor 1 Tag
Great news. It is beyond me how people are complaining about the free version not allowing to turn off telemetry. Why don&#x27;t you stick to the paid version if you are bothered by the (anonymous) telemetry?
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travisgriggsvor 1 Tag
Pycharm is my goto for Python; I happily use AndroidStudio when working on our Android apps.<p>In the past when I tried CLion, I found that its need&#x2F;desire to use cmake prohibited me from really using it. We have our own build scripts, and it seemed to struggle with that. Anyone know if that CMake bias still exists?<p>I ended up using Nova on my Mac for C code and have been pretty happy with that.<p>I would really really really love it if there was an Elixir skin for Jetbrains tools.
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taylorallredvor 1 Tag
I love jetbrains IDE for all sorts of features (their git tools like diff checker are unmatched imo). I&#x27;ve been wanting to use them for C++ for a while now specifically because I find that many LSP solutions are not that great. Looking forward to using the non-commercial version of clion!
sgtvor 1 Tag
Incidentally, I recently tested Zig and I decided to try out CLion as the Zig IDE. Seems to work great with the ZigBrains plugin. It&#x27;s still in development but ready for use.
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hiqvor 1 Tag
I&#x27;m curious about what non-commercial means in practice.<p>&gt; Common examples of non-commercial uses include learning and self-education, open-source contributions without earning commercial benefits<p>What if I start writing code, let&#x27;s say 80% of a codebase, then for the next 3 months I switch to another editor to write the next 20%, and then commercialize the support (so open-source but with commercial benefits)? Would it be about intent, i.e. it&#x27;d be fine if I had no plan to make a business out of it at the beginning, but as soon as there&#x27;s the idea of a business I should have switched?<p>I guess in practice this mostly targets companies with 10+ employees so it&#x27;s fine not to draw the line that clearly?
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demarqvor 1 Tag
This is a good move, more people will unwittingly be running a trial of the product.<p>I suspect there’s a whole lot of devs who’ve never experienced paid IDEs vs VsCode. Plus the community is about to grow insane.<p>Interested to see what happens
mcflubbinsvor 1 Tag
Great, but how about letting me have my paid, licensed Rust rover open on two PCs simultaneously?<p>I have my work PC which I leave on pretty much 24&#x2F;7 and if I forget to close RustRover, and try to launch it on my desktop (for personal project, or to just work from another room) I get an error that I already have a licensed copy running and it closes RustRover. Sometimes I wake my Laptop from sleep and it does this because I still had an old window open. Really unnecessary...
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iainctduncanvor 1 Tag
Worth mentioning too that they have free student plans for all their IDEs for university students.
William_BBvor 1 Tag
I used to be a CLion user. Unfortunately, it could not keep up with our large and heavily templated C++ codebase. Although CLion Nova with the new ReSharper engine improved things a lot, we found our custom clangd with emacs&#x2F;vim&#x2F;VSCode to still be much faster and convenient.<p>I know CLion also has clangd, but I believe it&#x27;s their own fork. I am also not sure if you can enable all clangd features since it&#x27;s not the main engine. I&#x27;d be happy to hear people&#x27;s thoughts about this.
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90s_devvor 1 Tag
JetBrains IDEs always had difficult and unintuitive default keyboard shortcuts. I think it&#x27;s just because of its age (same is true with Visual Studio). Whereas VS Code&#x27;s out of the box shortcuts were relatively great. If JetBrains IDEs shipped with VSCode-style shortcuts as an option (not necessarily default) that I could switch to without having to manually remap everything, I&#x27;d be so glad to use them.
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videogreg93vor 1 Tag
This is amazing news. As a long time IntelliJ user (Android dev for 7+ years) who wants to start doing more c++, having free access to Clion is a godsend.
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wizrrdvor 1 Tag
Make all IDEs free for non-commercial use to attract more users who might pay for services in the future — a win-win strategy.
DidYaWipevor etwa 19 Stunden
That&#x27;s interesting. This led me to their page, which also touted the now-free WebStorm.<p>Can anyone weigh in on WebStorm vs. VS Code for JS&#x2F;TS development? I&#x27;m developing a back end with Deno running locally, and VS Code has been decent for debugging and using the language runtime. Would WebStorm offer any advantages?
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giancarlostorovor 1 Tag
One thing I wish JetBrains would explore is building a fully native NON-JRE text editor that is a direct competitor to Sublime Text, but has a rich plugin API. I would love to see their take on a Sublime like editor. Atom and VS Code were the only serious Sublime Text competitors for a while, but now VS Code has gotten insanely bloated over the years, and also Atom is defunct unfortunately.<p>I would love to see them build a fully native editor with their decades of knowledge.
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ferguess_kvor 1 Tag
Just curious, for low level mid-size projects ON LINUX, like a simple OS or a compiler, is Clion over-complicated or suitable? And how does the debugging look like?<p>I&#x27;m using VSCode with a manually written Makefile, and all of my debugging lives in gdb tui mode in a separate terminal. I do prefer a better UI though, but right now it&#x27;s fine.<p>One concern is that Jetbriain IDEs usually takes a lot of memory. I do have a 16GB laptop though, so should be fine.
bayindirhvor 1 Tag
This is good news. I for one, won&#x27;t change my toolchain, but having a &quot;free for personal use&quot; alternative is always better, esp. when the license includes open source development.<p>Like it or not, C++ is not going anywhere in the short and long term, so it&#x27;s always good to have <i>real</i> IDEs around (CLion, Eclipse CDT, etc.) which can integrate with good instrumentation and give real time feedback on your code.
FpUservor 1 Tag
I have subscription that covers all their tools. CLion is my favorite when dealing with C++. So glad that hobbyist can use it now
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gh0stcatvor 1 Tag
This is cool, I briefly looked at using this to work on an unreal project, does anyone have any experience with using CLion with unreal? Is Rider or VScode still ideal?
chpatrickvor 1 Tag
I used to use CLion but switched to VS Code with the clangd extension. It&#x27;s by far the best and snappiest C++ coding experience I&#x27;ve had.
deafpolygonvor 1 Tag
When it&#x27;s free, <i>you</i> are the product:<p>&quot;It’s important to note that, if you’re using a non-commercial license, you cannot opt out of the collection of anonymous usage statistics. We use this information to improve our products. The data we collect is exclusively that of anonymous feature usages of our IDEs.&quot;<p>I&#x27;m aware it&#x27;s common practice, but it&#x27;s always good to read the fine print.
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shortrounddev2vor 1 Tag
Personally dislike jetbrains UX design but it&#x27;s cool that Linux has a really good, free-ish IDE
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zoobabvor 1 Tag
So it will never be in Debian.
Artoooooorvor 1 Tag
Wow! Thank you for sharing, I would miss this otherwise.
hiatusvor 1 Tag
Can anyone comment how this compares to Dev-C++?
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Xss3vor 1 Tag
Just bought it last week. Oops.
ixmerofvor etwa 12 Stunden
YESYESYES
andy_pppvor 1 Tag
What’s the Duck Duck Go equivalent for editors these days? Everything seems to be spying on me and&#x2F;or offering to send my code to AI in the cloud.
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OrvalWintermutevor 1 Tag
I&#x27;ve been a quite happy Jetbrains All Products Pack subscriber for several years now.
andrewstuartvor 1 Tag
I really wish JetBrains released its terminal as a standalone product. It’s one of the best.
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WhereIsTheTruthvor 1 Tag
I wish they&#x27;d extract the debugger and release it as a crossplatform standalone tool, i&#x27;d pay for it
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DemetriousJonesvor 1 Tag
Awesome news
globalnodevor 1 Tag
If its free, you&#x27;re the product.
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subzero06vor 1 Tag
If something is free, you are the product - it is &quot;free&quot; but Anonymous data is collected.
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toprerulesvor 1 Tag
Every once in a while I fire up the old JetBrains Java monolith to see if it&#x27;s finally surpassed my open source setup for the 200$ a year and up price tag and locked in spyware. Turns out it&#x27;s actually somehow worse than previous iterations now that I need AI integrations, their models are awful, it&#x27;s still a clunky resource hog on it&#x27;s own, and there&#x27;s nothing you can get for 200$ that you can&#x27;t get paying yourself and installing some VSCode or Vim plugins that do the same stuff for free (and without the spyware).
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