Does anyone feel like the biggest selling point of LLMs so far is basically for programmers? Feels like most of the products that look like could generate revenue are for programmers.<p>While you can see them as a productivity enhancing tool, in times of tight budgets, they can be useful to lay off more programmers because a single one is now way more productive than pre-LLM.<p>I feel that LLMs will increase the barrier to entry for newcomers while also make it easier for companies to layoff more devs as you don't need as many. All in all, I expect salaries for non FAANG devs to decrease while salaries for FAANG devs to increase slightly (given the increased value they can now make).<p>Any thoughts on this?
I prefer just paying for metered use on every request. I hope monthly fees don’t carry over from the last era of tech. It’s fine to charge consumers $10 per month. But once it’s over $50 let’s not pretend you are hoping I under utilize the service, and you want me to think I’m over utilizing it. These premium subscriptions are too much for me to pretend that math doesn’t exist.
The problem is that this is $100/mo with limits. At work I use Cursor, which is pretty good (especially tab completion), and at home I use Copilot in vscode insiders build, which is catching up to Cursor IMO.<p>However, as long as Microsoft is offering copilot at (presumably subsidized) $10/mo, I'm not interested in paying 10x as much and still having limits. It would have to be 10x as useful, and I doubt that.
I'm curious whether anyone's actually using Claude code successfully. I tried it on release and found it negative value for tasks other than spinning up generic web projects. For existing codebases of even a moderate size, it burns through cash to write code that is always slightly wrong and requires more tuning than writing it myself.
Tangential, but I don't want to use LLMs for writing code because it's one of the things I enjoy the most in life, but it's feeling that I'm going to need to have to to get ready for the next years of my career. I've had some experiences with Claude that have seriously impressed me, but it takes away the fun that I've found in my jobs since I was in middle school writing small programs.<p>Does anyone have advice for maintaining this feeling but also going with the flow and using LLMs to be more productive (since it feels like it'll be required in the next few years at many jobs)? Do I just have to accept that work will become work and I'll have to get my fix through hobby projects?
$200/month?<p>Do people really get that much value from these tools?<p>I use Github's Copilot for $10 and I'm somewhat happy for what I get... but paying 10x or 20x that just seems insane.
This isn't flat pricing. It's exactly the same API credits but you prepay for the month and lose anything you don't use.<p>Whether it turns out to be cheaper depends on your usage.<p>I thought Claude Code was absurdly expensive and not at all more capable than something like chatgpt combined with copilot.
Been on this about a week at the $100/mo mark. I’m not hitting quota limits (I’d swap to the $200/mo in a heartbeat if I were), using Claude Code on multiple tasks simultaneously without abandon. Prior to the flat plan I was spending nearly $1k/mo on tokens. That figure was justifiable but painful. Paying a tenth of it is lovely.
Agent mode without rails is like a boat without a rudder.<p>What worked for me was coming up with an extremely opinionated way to develop an application and then generating instructions (mini milestones) by combining it with the requirements.<p>These instructions end up being very explicit in the sequence of things it should do (write the tests first), how the code should be written and where to place it etc. So the output ended up being very similar regardless of the coding agent being used.
I wish these tools like Cursor, Windsurf etc. provide free option for working with open source projects, after all they trained their models via open source code.
As someone that's happily on the Pro plan (I got a deal at $17 per month) I'm a bit confused seeing people pay $100+ per month ... like what benefits are you getting over the cheaper plan?<p>When coding with Claude I cherry pick code context, examples etc to provide for tasks so I'm curious to hear what other's workflows are like and what benefits you feel you get using Claude Code or the more expensive plans?<p>I also haven't run into limits for quite some time now.
I wonder how successful this pricing model ($100-$200 a month with limits) is going to be. It is very hard to justify, when other tooling in the ~$20/month range offers unlimited usage, and comparable quality.
I cancelled my Claude subscription. I was happily using it for months - asking it the odd question or sometimes having longer discussions to talk through an idea.<p>Then one day I got nagged to upgrade or wait a few hours. I was pretty annoyed, I didn’t regard my usage as high and felt like a squeeze.<p>I cancelled my pro plan and now happily using Gemini which costs nothing. These AI companies are still finding their feet commercially!
Tbh, for these types of systems I do not like the rate limiting at all. I might go days without a need, then folowed by a day of <i>very</i> intense usage.<p>Also, the 'reputation grind' some of these systems set up where you have to climb 'usage Tiers' before being 'allowed' to use more? Just let me pay and use. I can't compare your system to my current provider before weeks of being throttled at unusable rates? This makes potentially switching to you for serious users way harder than it should be. Is that realy the outcome you want? And no, I am not willing to 'talk to sales' for running a quick feasibilty eval.
It is kinda sad that the information about how many tokens are included is not provided - its hard to judge versus pay-as-you-go api usage because of that
the new Claude code “max plan” would last me all of [1] 5mins… I don’t get why people are excited about this. High powered tools aren’t cheap and aren’t for the consumer…<p>[1] <a href="https://www.youtube.com/live/khr-cIc7zjc?si=oI9Fj33JBeDlQEYG" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/live/khr-cIc7zjc?si=oI9Fj33JBeDlQEYG</a>
I am sure this is worth every dime, but my workflow is so used to Cursor now (cursor rules, model choice, tab complete, to be specific), that I can't be bothered to try this out.