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Open Code of Conduct

39 pointsby jp_scalmost 10 years ago

17 comments

jp_scalmost 10 years ago
”Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding: ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’”<p>I&#x27;m really afraid and disgusted of this ignorant and provincial view of the world spreading over people I tought were rational.<p>Reverse racism does not exists. It is just racism.
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wtbobalmost 10 years ago
&gt; Deliberate misgendering. This includes deadnaming or persistently using a pronoun that does not correctly reflect a person’s gender identity.<p>Ummm, wouldn&#x27;t &#x27;misgendering&#x27; be using a pronoun which disagrees with someone&#x27;s actual gender, as opposed to self-perceived gender?<p>Is it &#x27;mistitling&#x27; to refer to someone who thinks that he&#x27;s Napoleon Bonaparte as &#x27;him&#x27; rather than &#x27;his Imperial and Royal Majesty&#x27;?<p>&gt; Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding:<p>&gt; ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’<p>So, the SCUM Manifesto would be welcome? Seems unwise to me.
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msoadalmost 10 years ago
Honest question, what is reverse racism? If I act racist against the dominate race? That&#x27;s racism again, no? I&#x27;m minority myself so I could potentially do that and in my own internal moral system it feels wrong.
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crussoalmost 10 years ago
<i>Although this list cannot be exhaustive, we explicitly honor diversity in age, gender, [...] and technical ability. We will not tolerate discrimination based on any of the protected characteristics above, including participants with disabilities.</i><p>What does not discriminating based upon technical ability look like? Random assignment of tasks without regard to whether or not someone can do them or do them well?
dudulalmost 10 years ago
GitHub is trying really hard to get SJWs on their side (this CoC, the &quot;retard&quot; case, etc). They have a terrible reputation in regards to sexism and lack of diversity (see the Horvath scandal).<p>What&#x27;s funny is that, this kind of PR never works. SJWs are very pissed off by the Open Code of Conduct move, they&#x27;ve been working for years on designing CoC (instead of, you know, writing actual code) and they see that as &quot;culture appropriation&quot; or whatever buzzy word. So in the end, they&#x27;re just gonna alienate the ones that are fed up with this PC trend, while not convincing anyone to come back.
snowpandaalmost 10 years ago
Sounds like the &quot;Two Wrongs Make a Right&quot; Fallacy.<p><i>Person 1 did X(Racism) to person 2.</i><p><i>Therefore, Person 2 is justified to do X(Reversed Racism) to person 1.</i><p>And of course the blatant generalization, considering not everyone behaved like person 1.
nickysielickialmost 10 years ago
What is &#x27;reverse&#x27; sexism or racism? Isn&#x27;t that just sexism and racism? Whether you&#x27;re oppressed or not has nothing to do with how the culture generally treats you. If you&#x27;re being oppressed you&#x27;re being oppressed in a single scenario&#x2F;instance. There do exist general trends on who is oppressed and who is oppressing, and those are worth talking about and being aware of, but I wouldn&#x27;t ever go as far to say that the existence of trends justifies marking any complaint that doesn&#x27;t follow those trends as invalid.<p>Am I taking crazy pills?
redmlalmost 10 years ago
Let&#x27;s tell everyone how to think and how to act instead of actually contributing something of actual use (like code) to the open source community.<p>This certainly won&#x27;t backfire whatsoever.
dudulalmost 10 years ago
&quot;Physical contact and simulated physical contact (eg, textual descriptions like “hug” or “backrub”) without consent or after a request to stop&quot;<p>Hahaha. I mean, this is the world we live in now?<p>I&#x27;ve always been puzzled by the concept of &quot;reverse racism&quot;. As far as I can remember I&#x27;ve only heard this term in America (I&#x27;ve lived in 4 different countries before). I&#x27;ve always found that it was a perfect illustration of doublethink. I mean, people realize that &quot;reverse racism&quot; is actually racism right?
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otterleyalmost 10 years ago
This is the text of the Open Code of Conduct.<p>GitHub explains their adoption of it here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2039-adopting-the-open-code-of-conduct" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2039-adopting-the-open-code-of-condu...</a>
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jp_scalmost 10 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;atom&#x2F;atom&#x2F;issues&#x2F;8206" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;atom&#x2F;atom&#x2F;issues&#x2F;8206</a>
jackweirdyalmost 10 years ago
The general response to this is interesting in the context that American white people, but not black people,<p>a) view racism as a zero-sum game<p>b) think anti-white bias is now more prevalent than anti-minority bias<p>[PDF] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ase.tufts.edu&#x2F;psychology&#x2F;sommerslab&#x2F;documents&#x2F;raceinternortonsommers2011.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ase.tufts.edu&#x2F;psychology&#x2F;sommerslab&#x2F;documents&#x2F;raceint...</a>
jay_kyburzalmost 10 years ago
As rules for some community, fine, it&#x27;s your community, whatever.<p>But in the workplace or the community at large, &quot;Unwelcome comments&quot;about the abuse if your children or drug use are important.<p>It has to be ok to tell somebody something they don&#x27;t want to hear.
cpercivaalmost 10 years ago
I&#x27;m not sure exactly what they mean by &quot;reverse racism&quot;. The obvious opposite of discriminating based on race is treating people equally without regard for their race.<p>If by &quot;reverse racism&quot; they mean &quot;discriminating against members of racial groups which are usually not the victims of racism&quot;... well, I really hope they&#x27;ve talked to their lawyers about that. In Canada a company which announced that they would protect or not protect their customers from racism based on their race would be up against the human rights commission in an instant.
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alexqgbalmost 10 years ago
Their reasoning seems pretty clear &quot;Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort.&quot;<p>It&#x27;s worth noting that &quot;privilege&quot; comes from the Latin for &quot;private law&quot;, which is to say a law that established a code of conduct for one class that was not applied to another. Typically, this took the form of exempting some people from the laws that bound everyone else.<p>In other words, the life under conditions of privilege was far freer and and more forgiving than it was for everyone else. The result was a set of advantages that made it easy for those with privilege to maintain it, and difficult for those without privilege to acquire it.<p>What&#x27;s remarkable about this document is the way it illuminates the extraordinary number and range of ways in which privilege - and its attendant social ordering functions - can express itself. In other words, simply countering it, to say nothing of dismantling it, is a non-trivial task.<p>Understanding privilege in this way also makes it easy to see why the very concept of &quot;reverse racism&quot; is so ridiculous. In essence, it&#x27;s based on a profound misunderstanding of what racism is in the first place. It is not simply a matter of treating different people differently. It is about embedding race in a system of privilege, which is something you cannot do unless you have privilege in the first place (obviously, allowing those without privilege to define its benefits would defeat the whole purpose). In other words, racism is about propagating a deeply established social hierarchy of dominance and submission that is based on race. To the extent that &quot;reverse racism&quot; seeks to limit the power of these structures, it&#x27;s a good thing. In any case, the problem is the continued existence of the unjust power structure, and not the fact that people pay attention to who does and does not receive its protection.<p>In Western countries, privilege has generally meant straight, white, men, from well-off backgrounds making life much easier for each other while making it much more difficult for everyone else. Sure, there are exceptions. But they&#x27;re few and far between, with their scarcity only serving to underscore the general rule. And while plenty of individuals who are a part of this class may find the structure distasteful, that&#x27;s had limited effect on the structure itself, which remains largely dominant to this day.<p>In any case, it&#x27;s not going to dismantle itself, so it&#x27;s up to the people who do want to do something about it to actually <i>do</i> something about it. Saying &quot;we&#x27;re not going to defend it, and given a choice, we&#x27;re going to rule against it&quot; is a good example.<p>That may be very unsettling for some people, but understand this: if you&#x27;re getting grief the problem is probably not that you&#x27;re a straight, white guy. More likely, the problem is that you&#x27;re treating other people like garbage in more ways than you can even imagine, and doing so habitually because your privilege allows you to get away with it.<p>And yes, a place that explicitly says &quot;your privilege is not respected here&quot; can be a tricky one for some people to navigate. If you&#x27;re not much of a jerk to begin with, it isn&#x27;t a big deal. But if you&#x27;re a deep-fried, hard-boiled asshole who cannot even <i>imagine</i> how to treat others with a suitable measure of civility and respect, yes, you&#x27;re going to suffer.
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exstudent2almost 10 years ago
This is news because there have been recent changes to this document since Github adopted it. Here&#x27;s the commit that included them: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;WndkY" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;WndkY</a><p>I find this introduces needless politics where they don&#x27;t belong. I also don&#x27;t subscribe to the idea that sexism and racism can only happen if the victim is of the correct gender or race. For those reasons, I&#x27;ve closed my private repos and no longer financially support Github.
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x5n1almost 10 years ago
stupid for providers to get involved in this. this is job of the law, not the corporations.
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