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‘Pharmacy of the developing world’ under attack from the US, EU, Japan

166 pointsby shekhar101over 9 years ago

15 comments

myth_busterover 9 years ago
The ominous quote &quot;This is just the beginning&quot; seems apt here.<p>TPP bill [0] which is being negotiated in secret will result in more sustained damage [1].<p>Since R&amp;D will be the single most critical argument, this table [2] could highlight it&#x27;s fallacies.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eff.org&#x2F;issues&#x2F;tpp" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eff.org&#x2F;issues&#x2F;tpp</a><p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.doctorswithoutborders.org&#x2F;news-stories&#x2F;briefing-document&#x2F;trading-away-health-trans-pacific-partnership-agreement-tpp" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.doctorswithoutborders.org&#x2F;news-stories&#x2F;briefing-d...</a><p>[2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;3kmBKcS.png" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;3kmBKcS.png</a>
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theworstshillover 9 years ago
The piece at the very end is enlightening:<p>&quot;SWISS PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY NOVARTIS first took the Indian government to court in 2006 over its patent law because Novartis wanted a more extensive granting of patent protection for its products than offered by Indian law. The company had been refused a patent in India on a cancer drug it produces. In a first case before the High Court in Chennai, Novartis claimed that the Act did not meet rules set down by the World Trade Organization and was in violation of the Indian constitution. Novartis lost this case in 2007, but launched a subsequent appeal before the Indian Supreme Court in a bid to weaken the interpretation of the law and empty it of substance. All of Novartis’s claims were rejected by the Supreme Court in a landmark decision announced on 1 April, 2013.&quot;<p>So much for world trade organization benefiting the world through more competition and a lowering of prices. Fuckers.
rickdaleover 9 years ago
This is funny because I am literally on the phone with my bank to get them to lift the block on the charge for indian provigil. I didn&#x27;t realize this was a big thing, but I am excited to try the provigil. I did ask my doctor for it for what its worth, but he said its too expensive to prescribe to me. I don&#x27;t have insurance...
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saosebastiaoover 9 years ago
Drug companies do a great job at developing drugs, but then turn around and spend twice as much marketing them. Doesn&#x27;t it seem like it would be a better system if government(s) set up drug development bounties, and pay the bounty in exchange for the patents? Drugs immediately gain generic availability, and the drug companies no longer need to sell their shit with Super Bowl commercials in order to make a profit.
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kskover 9 years ago
The science that these drugs are based on was given to the public domain for free by scientists all around the world throughout history. Lets see if these greedy companies are willing to pay those scientists whose results they freely use.<p>Knowledge that helps save lives should not be under copyright (nor should it be a for-profit enterprise, but that is a separate argument).
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forrestthewoodsover 9 years ago
Of course they are. In the United States you also can&#x27;t import cheap generic from Canada. Most intellectual property law is recognized and enforced internationally. Everyone on this board has a career because of IP law.<p>We have a globally broken system in that America subsidizes the world medicinally. American companies research and develop many (not all) drugs. Americans then pay out their asshole for those drugs. Other countries then get to make those drugs for &quot;free&quot;. Not free free. But they get to ignore the R&amp;D costs.<p>Eventually the camel&#x27;s back will break. Research costs will become too high for 300m out of 7b to pay for. Then we can figure out a new system that works better. This is probably a good thing. I don&#x27;t know what the system looks like though. No one does.
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dandareover 9 years ago
I call your hypocrisy.<p>Drug trials are expensive and the ROI is not stellar at all. Without the prospect of copyrighting the result there would be way less efficient yet safe drugs for all of us. As a fact pharma companies - despite the conspiracy - are nowhere the biggest or richest companies of the world (Pfizer roughly #48). So why did you decide that actually pharma companies - and not for example YOU - should sponsor the treatment of the poor of this world? Do you equally expect Nestle to feed the hungry for free because it produces food?
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qwerty85344324iover 9 years ago
Serious question for anyone opposes this. What incentive would pharma companies have to publish their secret formulas if Indian generics simply take the IP and drastically undercut prices, preventing the pharma companies from making any profit on the billions they invested in their research? What would compel these pharma companies to invest in any further research?
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werberover 9 years ago
There should be a global consortium for socialized medicine. It&#x27;s insanely problematic to have for profit companies demanding the right to kill the poor.
Alex3917over 9 years ago
This is hardly new. The Clintons threatened to impose trade sanctions on South Africa if they distributed HIV treatments to the poor, and that was twenty years ago.
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creamyhorrorover 9 years ago
Look how Novartis and other drug companies are pricing their cancer drugs:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.change.org&#x2F;p&#x2F;secretary-of-health-and-human-services-protest-high-cancer-drug-prices-so-all-patients-with-cancer-have-access-to-affordable-drugs-to-save-their-lives" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.change.org&#x2F;p&#x2F;secretary-of-health-and-human-servi...</a><p><i>Prices have increased more than tenfold between 2000 (average price $5,000-$10,000 per year) and today (average price of new cancer drugs exceeds $120,000 per year).</i><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;01&#x2F;15&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;why-drugs-cost-so-much.html?_r=0" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;01&#x2F;15&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;why-drugs-cost-so-...</a><p><i>Novartis, the company that makes the leukemia drug Gleevec, keeps raising the drug’s price, even though the drug has already delivered billions in profit to the company. In 2001 Novartis charged $4,540, in 2014 dollars, for a month of treatment; now it charges $8,488. In its pricing, Novartis is just keeping up with other companies as they charge more and more for their drugs. They know we can’t say no.</i><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nbcnews.com&#x2F;health&#x2F;cancer&#x2F;utterly-broken-drug-market-high-cost-surviving-cancer-n369261" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nbcnews.com&#x2F;health&#x2F;cancer&#x2F;utterly-broken-drug-mar...</a><p><i>Lauren Baumann is one of the lucky ones. Though she has cancer, chronic myeloid leukemia, it is manageable, as long as she takes a daily pill called Gleevec. Gleevec is considered a wonder drug, turning Lauren&#x27;s leukemia from a death sentence to a disease she and thousands of others can live with. The problem is, even with health insurance and a full-time job, Lauren can&#x27;t afford the monthly co-pay for Gleevec. It can be as high as $2,000 a month — twice the average mortgage payment in the U.S.<p>&quot;I feel like you get punished,&quot; says Baumann. &quot;I didn&#x27;t ask to get cancer; I didn&#x27;t ask to get sick. I was 26 and I was perfectly healthy.&quot;</i><p>This is essentially extortion due to price inelasticity of demand. $9,000-$12,500&#x2F;month to survive, for the rest of your natural life! Patients+insurers have to pay whatever price the companies ask. For something as crucial as a life-saving drug, maybe the prices shouldn&#x27;t be set only by market forces? Maybe generics should be allowed for import after patents expire the first time around?<p>(There are analyses of drug discovery costs around, and even after all those costs and reliance on basic research funded by taxpayer money, pharma companies make a very healthy profit. Much of the money goes into marketing, which we wouldn&#x27;t need so much of in a system similar to the NHS which approves drugs for dispensing countrywide.)<p>Please sign the above Change.org petition (first link) and spread it! I normally don&#x27;t make appeals, but this is one truly egregious case of unethical profiting.<p>An international panel of 115 doctors co-authored a paper decrying these ridiculous prices and offering 7 solutions, including allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices once again (which they now aren&#x27;t allowed to!):<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;matthewherper&#x2F;2015&#x2F;07&#x2F;23&#x2F;155-angry-doctors-propose-7-solutions-for-terrifying-cancer-drug-prices&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;matthewherper&#x2F;2015&#x2F;07&#x2F;23&#x2F;155-ang...</a>
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petecooperover 9 years ago
&gt;India under pressure from Pharma lobby to stop gneric medicines<p>Title typo: should be `generic`.
theworstshillover 9 years ago
US Pharmaceutical companies don&#x27;t give a damn about their own compatriots, so why wouldn&#x27;t they try to monopolize the world?<p>Back in 2010-2011, a few friends of mine showed me how an online pharmacy works, I couldn&#x27;t believe it - vast majority of people ordering Indian generics are Americans. The reasons? - Costs. Theyve told me it sometimes takes multiple resends of medicines for them to get through the border. Don&#x27;t know how well US clamped down on it in the past several years.
raphinouover 9 years ago
I heard a country in europe stopped drugs import from india on quality concerns. Is that true? Is that the real reason or is there more behind that decision?
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PhantomGremlinover 9 years ago
Maybe the Indian generic companies should worry a little more about the frogs and flies in their manufacturing facilities. And maybe they shouldn&#x27;t delete test results.<p>Welcome to the global race to the bottom. I doubt that a little pressure from multinational pharma companies will do much to reverse the overall trend.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2014-12-03&#x2F;indian-labs-deleted-drug-test-results-documents-show" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2014-12-03&#x2F;indian-lab...</a>
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