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The Limits of Language

36 pointsby dthalover 9 years ago

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kruhftover 9 years ago
If you&#x27;re interested in language, I highly recommend &#x27;The Search for the Perfect Language&#x27;[1] by Umberto Ecco. Highly readable and incredibly interesting history of those wanting to extend the capabilities of language.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Search-Perfect-Language-Making-Europe&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0631205101" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Search-Perfect-Language-Making-Europe&#x2F;...</a>
zvrbaover 9 years ago
I&#x27;m just reading Wittgenstein&#x27;s works. He had also said &quot;If you want to know whether a person is religious, don&#x27;t ask them, but observe how they behave.&quot;
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bambaxover 9 years ago
&gt; <i>The shift to online communication, textual interactions separated from accompanying physical practices, has had a persistent and egregious warping effect on language</i><p>The phone was the first change. To this day I hate speaking to people on a phone because if I don&#x27;t see their eyes and body posture I have a very hard time understanding what they mean.<p>Usually, in a normal, face to face conversation, I have a rough idea of what someone is going to say next, which eases the cognitive burden of the conversation.<p>But somehow that doesn&#x27;t really work over the phone, so I have to wait for people to say things, parse what they&#x27;re saying, run it against various possible interpretations, and then think of an answer. It&#x27;s exhausting, (not to mention error prone).<p>Edit -- conversation is like a dance, (or a game of chess). There are rules, within the rules, an infinite number of moves, and a limited number of &quot;usual&quot; moves. You normally just follow the usual moves, and sometimes you invent a new one, or place a usual move in an unusual context.<p>To me, talking over the phone is like trying to dance over the phone by describing to the other person what you&#x27;re doing. It&#x27;s not impossible, just extremely difficult.
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bambaxover 9 years ago
&gt; <i>The French equivalents for here and there are ici and là respectively. But if I point to a pen and say, “The pen is here,” the French equivalent is not “Le stylo est ici,” but “Le stylo est là.” In French, là is always used to refer to a specific place or position, while in English here or there can both work.</i><p>Well... it depends.<p>If both speakers are in front of a pen and one points to the pen she&#x27;ll say &quot;le stylo est là&quot; -- that part&#x27;s true.<p>But if you&#x27;re in another part of a big house and someone yells &quot;where is the pen&quot;, and the pen is with you in this remote room, you can yell back &quot;le stylo est ici&quot;, meaning &quot;it&#x27;s here with me&quot;.