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Ask HN: Will being an engineer at a nonprofit reduce your longterm earnings?

14 pointsby BenjaminToddover 9 years ago
Suppose you&#x27;re a junior engineer at a large tech firm.<p>If you go to take a technical role at a nonprofit for several years with a much lower salary, then want to go back to a big tech firm, will your salary be reduced compared to what it would have been if you&#x27;d stayed in the big tech firm? If yes, by how much?<p>For the sake of argument, assume your skill development at the nonprofit is equally good. What I&#x27;m interested in is whether there&#x27;s a loss of earnings due to bad signalling, or because if you have a low salary at the nonprofit it&#x27;ll be harder to negotiate a high salary when you go back.

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patio11over 9 years ago
You&#x27;re at far, far, far more risk for missing the years of professional development than you are for experiencing any signaling risk at negotiation, at least as of October 2015. Most non-profits have, by the standards of AmaGooFaceSoft, boring technical problems where 5 years of doing them is worth less than 2~4 weeks at their firms.<p>Though, that said: there&#x27;s no guarantees that when you have the conversation in April 2019 that you&#x27;ll be in the best hiring market for your interest in the history of ever, which is approximately where we are right now.
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wordcodeover 9 years ago
I&#x27;m an engineer who has worked at non-profits for several years and have maintained top skills. The answer is- your long term earnings will absolutely be reduced, though not for the already cited reasons.<p>Essential books to read before going into the non-profit space:<p>* With Charity For All - Ken Stern<p>* Doing Good Better - Bill MacAskill<p>Also, read SSIR, it has the best coverage of emerging trends in the non-profit space:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ssir.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ssir.org&#x2F;</a><p>The short answer is- if income is important to you, marginally to significantly more important than impact, DO NOT work for a non-profit. If impact is of marginal to secondary importance, then contribute money and time in accordance with the emerging analytics that Bill MacAskill talks about.<p>If impact is most important, and income is not, then by all means work for a non-profit, but remember that mission comes first, second, third and fourth.<p>==<p>There are very, very few non-profits that are using technology in any of the ways that resemble tech-focused big shops or startups, because at this stage there are very, very few non-profits whose funding streams are dependent on specific details of technology deployment.<p>There are (to my eyes) huge opportunities for technical innovations like data analytics, APIification, and many others to transform the non-profit space, but these transformations will be years in the making. The space moves very, very slowly.<p>So, at a non-profit, you may maintain skills, and you can often be paid a fairly equivalent salary, but all sorts of other income, practice, and leadership opportunities will pass you by.<p>* bonus<p>* equity<p>* quantitative management<p>* developing for the customer<p>* etc<p>Once you have more of your life-course settled, with life partners and kids and living situation and so forth- by all means go work for a non-profit.<p>I DO NOT recommend it for junior engineers.
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JSeymourATLover 9 years ago
&gt; it&#x27;ll be harder to negotiate a high salary when you go back.<p>You might also consider, several years from-- as your career evolves, the types of roles you&#x27;ll be interested in post nonprofit stint, may well change.<p>Areas to explore: How might this gig stretch you professionally? Do you see any potential to leverage this experience into something bigger, better?
interdriftover 9 years ago
Depends on the scale of the problems the non profit is solving and it&#x27;s overall impact.