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Nuclear Forensics Shows Nazis Were Nowhere Near Making Atomic Bomb

72 pointsby fraqedover 9 years ago

11 comments

ufmaceover 9 years ago
There was a really good post somewhere on Reddit a while back that I can&#x27;t seem to find now that had a lot more details on the idea of a Nazi atom bomb, mostly political. I think the gist was that one of the key steps in a nuclear program at the WWII stage is the realization that an artificial nuclear explosion is practical, if difficult, and makes a very effective weapon of war. That also means that they understand the core physics concepts and have some idea of what building a bomb would involve.<p>As I understand it, the Nazi regime never got to the point of even realizing that a bomb was a serious possibility. So naturally, they never devoted real resources to figuring out the details and how to go about actually building one.<p>There&#x27;s also the economic aspect - the initial development work was massively expensive, and even the other major WWII combatants who had an idea that a bomb was possible didn&#x27;t think they would be able to devote enough resources to it to actually build one for that war. They may well have been right - even with the massive resources the US poured into the project, the war was still pretty close to being over before they had a bomb ready to drop.
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tragomaskhalosover 9 years ago
Richard Rhodes&#x27; &quot;The Making Of The Atomic Bomb&quot; is a pretty thorough account of the whole enterprise, and concludes that the Germans were nowhere near, so I don&#x27;t think this is a particularly controversial revelation.
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Theodoresover 9 years ago
The U.S. had the best in uranium before the war started in a warehouse in New York:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Shinkolobwe" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Shinkolobwe</a><p>Nobody else had the raw materials in such a useful form. I say this is the quirk of history that gets overlooked when it comes to the race to get the bomb.
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Bluestrike2over 9 years ago
It turns out, driving out all of your physicists and mathematicians because they were Jewish and gutting your academic system wasn&#x27;t quite the smartest idea in the world.
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weinzierlover 9 years ago
I have visited the Atomkeller Museum, in Haigerloch. As far as I can remember what you can see on the picture [1] from the article is almost everything there is to see. At the entrance is a glass box with a slowly ticking Geiger counter but that&#x27;s it. Basically it&#x27;s a small rock cavern with a hole in the ground.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cen.acs.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;cen&#x2F;articles&#x2F;93&#x2F;i39&#x2F;Nuclear-Forensics-Shows-Nazis-Nowhere&#x2F;_jcr_content&#x2F;articlebody&#x2F;subpar&#x2F;articlemedia_0.img.jpg&#x2F;1443211062695.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cen.acs.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;cen&#x2F;articles&#x2F;93&#x2F;i39&#x2F;Nuclear-Foren...</a>
_akover 9 years ago
There&#x27;s a book about Germany working on the atomic bomb from about 10 years ago. One thing that I always stuck in my mind was that the Nazis had several different programmes, run by different organizations. I remember at least three, Wehrmacht, SS, and Post Ministry (I know, this is kind of WTF). All of these organizations actively competed against each other over a very limited amount of resources, in particular heavy water and fissible material. Of course that won&#x27;t produce meaningful results if you&#x27;re being sabotaged by other organizations in your country.
brudgersover 9 years ago
Related to Axis bomb programs, an interesting article on Japan&#x27;s: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sites.google.com&#x2F;site&#x2F;naziabomb&#x2F;home&#x2F;japan-s-a-bomb-project" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sites.google.com&#x2F;site&#x2F;naziabomb&#x2F;home&#x2F;japan-s-a-bomb-...</a>
baneover 9 years ago
An interesting quirk of history, it was the reconstituted German rocket program in the U.S. which finally gave global delivery capability to American nukes.
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redwoodover 9 years ago
I was under the impression that Heisenberg made a fundamental mistake on a back of envelope calculation of the amount of an important input required that led him to believe it was not a tenable option and therefore the project was eventually killed. that doesn&#x27;t mean that we didn&#x27;t just get very lucky and that he might have on the flipside gotten very close to building something
wnevetsover 9 years ago
Of course they weren&#x27;t. They realized early on if the war was still going on by the time the bomb was finished they would still lose the war.
ZanyProgrammerover 9 years ago
And even further, having no effective means of delivery.
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