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Best Buy Optimization Is A Big Stupid Annoying Waste Of Money

92 pointsby madhover 15 years ago

14 comments

thaumaturgyover 15 years ago
The Consumerist (and Best Buy) got some stuff right, and some wrong, IMO. Just for background info, I'm the founder of a rapidly growing I.T. consulting company, with both individual, small business, and corporate clients.<p>1: Laptops and vendor computers certainly could use a thorough going-over when they're unboxed. Of the various vendors, Dell is the least offensive this way, and Acer is one of the worst.<p>1a: Most vendors are installing various Norton or Symantec products by default, one of the worst anti-virus products available on the market. Norton's actual catch rating is -- literally -- only about 50%, and to get even that high, it has measurable negative impacts on system performance. Notably, it has a pernicious bug in its email scanner that can cause it, spontaneously, to interrupt email service several months down the road. Removing Norton is not as easy as you might think. Inexplicably, the removal process varies from system to system. On one memorable system, it took me two hours to remove it; its own uninstaller crashed every time, refusing to uninstall anything, my copy of the special Norton Removal Tool that can be downloaded was "out of date" (I had downloaded it just three weeks before), and the Norton website was broken and wouldn't allow me to download a new copy. The computer would not reboot into safe mode -- upon starting in safe mode it would reboot back to normal -- and initial attempts at manual removal caused the program to reload its files upon reboot. Despite having a fully updated version of Norton, the computer was riddled with viruses and other garbage.<p>1b: The "cleanup" is not something I'd recommend for the average user -- and I'm all for teaching users how to use their computer. Unfortunately, it's gotten very hard to tell what to keep from what to throw away. There are no clues other than experience. For example: Dell's moronic "wireless manager" can't be uninstalled without taking the laptop's wireless drivers with it, but there's a way to disable it and let Windows handle the wireless interface, which is more reliable and reduces clutter in the system tray.<p>2: Where Consumer Reports found a decrease in system speed, it's likely that "Geek Squad" accidentally removed one of the manufacturer's OS updates.<p>3: <i>If</i> the "cleanup" was done right, and <i>if</i> it was truly optional, $40 is a really fair price for it. Even if we assume that they've got some in-house tools that automate this, the process would likely still take at least 20 minutes and require oversight by a skilled technician. Part of my business is about kicking Geek Squad in the pants every chance I get, but I doubt I could beat that price.<p>4: There are some system tweaks that can really help things along, that wouldn't show up on a benchmark. One that comes to mind immediately is the particularly stupid network-related services configuration in Vista. The services aren't started automatically, so for dialup users especially this means a very long wait time every time the user opens up Internet Explorer for the first time.<p>5: Sending users to "msconfig" without directions was a particularly stupid move by Consumerist. The registry at least looks scary enough to ward off most novices, but msconfig makes things really easy to change -- and can result in very strange system behavior.<p>6: I have not been impressed by CCleaner, nor does PC Decrapifier do a very good job of cleaning up a new system. CCleaner has given me some work in the past in the form of newly unreliable printer behavior, and we tried using PC Decrapifier for a while before concluding that we could actually do the job much faster manually.<p>7: Spybot Search &#38; Destroy is really not that great as a preventative program. Avira (<a href="http://free-av.com/" rel="nofollow">http://free-av.com/</a>) is a much better piece of software, also free, although the free version has two annoying habits which can be disabled easily.<p>So, should new systems be "optimized" by trained techs working for a company that actually cares about its customers? Hell yes. Unfortunately, neither Best Buy nor Geek Squad got it right.
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RyanMcGrealover 15 years ago
&#62;she was told installing software yourself, "negates the vendor’s warranty."<p>Wait, installing software on a laptop negates the vendor's warranty? I thought the <i>whole point</i> of owning a general purpose computer rather than, say, some embedded device was the flexibility to install (and write) whatever programs you want.
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gvbover 15 years ago
Oddly, in their table, Consumer's Reports did not list Microsoft's own free antivirus program (they <i>did</i> list Windows Defender anti-spyware).<p><a href="http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Essentials/" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Essentials/</a>
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protomythover 15 years ago
So, let's say you are a manufacturer. You take money from all these software products and install their wares on your computers. Margins are tight, and this seems the only way to make a profit. Let's also say you are one of the brands sold at Best Buy.<p>At some point, isn't one of the software providers going to want their money back from Best Buy sales since Best Buy is removing their "advertising"?
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zzzmarcusover 15 years ago
To me, this seems like another reason to buy a Mac. It'll cost you more than the PC (even after optimization) but you don't have to deal with either the mysterious optimizations or uninstalling a bunch of promotional garbage and running endless updates. With the Mac, you open your computer, run Software Update once and you're good to go. In my opinion, that alone justifies the higher price.
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KWDover 15 years ago
Great article, and it really lowers my opinion of Best Buy. I couldn't help but think of the auto rustproofing sales pitch when buying a new car.<p>Another benefit to the article, I think the bottom section listing programs to "optimize" the PC is useful. Only thing I would have added is that cable/dsl internet services these days are likely to provide a free anti-virus from McAfee.
jasonlbaptisteover 15 years ago
Does anyone make a "good PC" anymore? I know many will answer just build it yourself. That's a worthy answer for me, but not for the general public. If my mom wants to buy a PC tomorrow that isn't cluttered with crap (just an OEM install), offers great service, and looks great, what does she buy?
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troymcover 15 years ago
Best Buy also sells Apple computers (MacBooks, iMacs, etc.). Does anyone here know if they try to sell "optimized" versions of those as well?
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matthavenerover 15 years ago
There's some truth to this "optimization" stuff: most of the low end computers these days come with all kinds of trial software installed (presumably for marketing purposes). Usually I'll spend 20 minutes removing it all after the initial setup. Its probably worth $20 to have it removed if you don't know how to remove it yourself.
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dspeyerover 15 years ago
Let's be fair. 3dmark is a horrible way to test if cleanup helped. It's mostly gpu limited, and that tends to be unaffected by OEM crap. Rendering a complex webpage, launching an office suite, or watching high-def flash video would be more useful tests.<p>I am not volunteering to do these tests.
fnidover 15 years ago
is there a reasonable way to build ones own laptop these days?
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waterlesscloudover 15 years ago
I have walked into a Best Buy, ready to make a computer purchase on the spot.<p>And then walked out because I could not buy what I wanted without their "optimizations".<p>I simply will not deal with retailers who do this.
mattmaroonover 15 years ago
Wait, people buy computers at Best Buy still? What year is this?
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gcbover 15 years ago
free advice for bestbuy.<p>1. go to ubuntu.com 2. order a zillion live install cds. 3. give one to every consumer that buys a pc or mac. 4. be able to claim performance and virus free optimization without consumerist eating them alive.