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The Benefits of a Quiet Ego

189 pointsby gullover 9 years ago

14 comments

icanhackitover 9 years ago
The gold is at the bottom: <i>“The humble person is probably more aware and accepting of the fact that against a cosmic scale of time and space, every human being is minute.”</i><p>If there&#x27;s one thing that will humble you it&#x27;s trying to fathom the scale of the universe. You think a celebrity matters at these scales? But don&#x27;t let it make you feel impotent - rejoice at the fact that you&#x27;re alive, you exist and the world is fucking interesting. Even if you just stare out the window all day, you&#x27;re a consciousness residing in a stardust body observing the thing that made you.
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andorover 9 years ago
While there might be some benefits, the biggest disadvantage of humbleness is that many people are not prepared for it. It&#x27;s not how the role models on TV act, therefore it&#x27;s weird.<p>People often take ego as an indicator for status or intelligence. If you&#x27;re not asserting yourself, you don&#x27;t know as well, or you&#x27;re not as smart as others. Humbleness doesn&#x27;t mix well with assertiveness. Assertive people need to be humble around humble people, and the other way around. With just two persons it might work, add more and you get interesting group dynamics.
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ken47over 9 years ago
What&#x27;s interesting in these comments is the egos clearly trying to defend themselves. Introspection begins with the question: do you own your ego or does it own you?
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marsayover 9 years ago
Seems like a rebranding of old ideas. We should be expecting new book soon I guess.<p>All this has been talked about by various western authors and scholars before(Alan Watts, Joseph Campbell, Carl G. Jung etc.) and as far as I understand them, they all agree on one thing: western people are good at being individuals, having an ego, and it would be mistake to start removing this part of ourselves and think about it as something bad. Of course we should be integrating mindfullness and controlling our narcissistic behaviour, but without antagonizing our ego.
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hliyanover 9 years ago
I&#x27;ve come to see ego as just another evolutionary mechanism that can on occasion misfire due to the complexities of modern civilization. It&#x27;s a mechanism (IMO) in gregarious species meant to maintain or enhance a member&#x27;s status in the pack&#x2F;tribe&#x2F;group, since that status affords survival advantages.<p>But a lot of the times when ego is triggered today have nothing to do with survival advantages or success. Identifying this fact in itself is a first step to quieting down the ego. Identifying a feeling as not valid (just because a feeling is &#x27;natural&#x27; doesn&#x27;t automatically make it valid) can take away a lot of the justification to perpetuate it.
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kfkover 9 years ago
It&#x27;s funny how most of this ideas are in reality very old concepts of Greek&#x2F;Roman philosophy. Seneca was a big proponent of &quot;quite ego&quot;, for instance (his critic to a strong ego&#x2F;desire: Tamquam mortales timetis, omnia tamquam immortales concupiscitis). Socrates could be too. I think the common denominator was the understanding that we have no access to the Truth and that we might as well spend the time trying to know ourselves.
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carapat_virulatover 9 years ago
So how is a quiet ego measured? I understand those four facets in the article are supposed to correlate with the quiet ego, so it would be interesting how the loudness of your ego is measured before those 4 questions. Otherwise is seems like imposing your own bias to create a category that fits your per-conceived western Buddhism bias.<p>For example &quot;Facet #1: Detached awareness&quot;, I don&#x27;t really see what &quot;detached&quot; adds to the category of awareness if it only involves those 3 questions mentioned in the article. I can easily imagine people that also score low on those questions but who practice &quot;involved awareness&quot; feeling really attached to what they are doing in a very aware state of mind.<p>Same with the rest of facets, the idea that &quot;Facet #3: Perspective taking&quot; involves quieting your ego is a point of view that is not obvious and you will have to prove somehow. I think for a lot of people empathy intuitively involves feeling the pain of others as your own, which is not a detached feeling at all, and involves a strong involvement of the ego.<p>And I really can not see how the last point of personal growth is supposed to fit with the rest of them. It seems like the typical Western Buddhist marketing, they start speaking about how alienated we are in our consumerist way of life, some love and compassion follow, but the real selling point is that with their help and a little bit of detachment you can even be MORE successful on the consumerist game.<p>All in all I don&#x27;t buy it unless there&#x27;s more to it.
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thetruthseeker1over 9 years ago
Interesting. I want to make a point that questions the premise of the article. What is wrong if people dont have a quiet ego? What is wrong with the fact that humility is mentioned 43% less. Why is that automatically bad( I am not saying it is good either)? Values of a society change over period of time, many things that were acceptable behavior in the 1900s are not acceptable anymore. In the early 1900s black people were disenfranchised, there were no laws to protect same sex partners. I am sure many of you will agree that you dont miss those laws.<p>Again why do we want to demonize or characterize not having a quiet ego as less superior to having a quiet ego. I do think that if the non-quiet ego is bombastic and misleads people by stating not true statements, that can be a problem.
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leohover 9 years ago
I really liked this — but how to cultivate a quiet ego?
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rokhayakebeover 9 years ago
I would pay for a social network&#x2F;dating app&#x2F;site for the introverted. I just do not know whether this is an oxymoron or not, but if someone figures this I would pay for it. Gladly.
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jstanleyover 9 years ago
Off topic: site totally unreadable on my phone. The content is in a huge font, wider than the screen, and zoom behaviour is disabled...
nathan_f77over 9 years ago
I don&#x27;t want to lose any anxiety about death. I&#x27;m hoping that organizations such as sens and calico can solve aging within my lifetime, and that I&#x27;ll be able to afford the treatments. This goal definitely requires a strong ego. It takes pride to say that I deserve to live longer, instead of donating that money to save other people&#x27;s lives. I&#x27;ve come to the conclusion that I would like to extend my life indefinitely, and I&#x27;ll have plenty of time to help the poor after that.<p>Of course, I&#x27;m probably going to die pretty soon (relatively speaking), and I&#x27;ve come to terms with that, but you should question the inevitability of death.
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hoshover 9 years ago
I think this really depends on someone&#x27;s stage of development for a particular issue. I&#x27;m coming from the frame that, there is no &quot;standard&quot; maturity for an &quot;average&quot; person. Each of us have pieces of ourselves that are in different stages of growth, and not necessarily because some of them got &quot;stuck&quot; somewhere. It is what it is.<p>For some people, on some issues, there is a need to assert themselves. I&#x27;ve met people for whom, some issue, left them feeling victimized, helpless, and hopeless. There&#x27;s a shift that happens when, such a person drops that sense of victimization, and develops the sense of the initiative, of agency, of being able to make choices. For a lot of people, this idea that you can make choices (as opposed to merely taking options presented in front of you) is life-altering.<p>Likewise, when you are used to making choices and having an effect on the world, all sorts of things now come up. This includes the asshole (someone acting from entitled superiority), the jerk, (someone acting as if surrounded by idiots), and so forth.<p>As one of my friends put it, the &quot;ego&quot; -- and by that, I speak of &quot;the acquired self&quot;, or &quot;the conditioned self&quot; -- likes to take credit for everything even if it is not the source of everything. That means that even humility, modesty, charity, mercy can get hijacked by the ego. I&#x27;ve met people, even meditators, for whom, the ego hijacks the spiritual development that comes out of their practices.<p>One of the things the ego can hijack is that very capability of making choices (real choice, not just taking one of the options). We have long associated the acquired self with this idea of making choices, but making real Choice ... the ego actually shies away from it.<p>It&#x27;s similar to how most people don&#x27;t actually want real Change. Real change has much more to do with death. People tend to seek out novelty, instead -- apparent change that doesn&#x27;t really change anything deep down.<p>One of the things I&#x27;ve been working on in the past week or so in my meditation is the relationship between posturing and posture. Posturing happens as a result of clashing egos. In some cases, maybe it is just one person thinking they need to posture, while no one else is participating. The noun &quot;posture&quot;, though, is neutral, associated with &quot;martial arts stance&quot;, or &quot;yoga asana&quot;. I&#x27;ve found through martial arts, there is a particular feeling that comes from wanting to win and overcome the other person, which leads to becoming physically unbalanced, and then the other person exploits that. My desire to win and submit the the other person is the seed of defeat. A lot of work went into being sensitive to balance and imbalance ... to seek out balance within myself, to upset the balance in my opponent, to correct postures and structure of the body, to learn how to break all of that. It&#x27;s only in the last week that it dawned on me that posturing is accompanied with the same kind of imbalance in the emotional and social dimension, and that by simply by dropping things to the ground, the desire to win an argument disappears.
endgameover 9 years ago
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