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The Ideal Mathematician (1998) [pdf]

51 pointsby anatolyover 9 years ago

5 comments

4bppover 9 years ago
I don&#x27;t think any of the research mathematicians I know exhibit a degree of ignorance like the one depicted in the article towards the philosophical underpinnings of their field - the implied attitude towards rigorous proof in particular seems to be an egregious strawman. It is generally accepted that any research mathematician, given an arbitrarily chosen section of a high-level proof, should be able to convert it to a structured step-by-step proof (though possibly at the expense of a prohibitive amount of time), and the same generally holds for any half-decent graduate student by the time they&#x27;ve spent a year or two in their field.<p>The choice of title makes it even more questionable - imagine a similarly uncharitable piece titled &quot;The ideal [racial category]&quot;.<p>(That being said, the insinuation that mathematicians tend to play the motte-and-bailey game with formalism and platonism does ring true.)
loeberover 9 years ago
On a whole, I found this article somewhat condescending. It starts out declaring that it will try to create an &quot;impossibly pure&quot; mathematician in order to display paradoxical &amp; problematic aspects of his role, but it really does neither. It shows a (negatively) stereotypical mathematician hopelessly confined to his field, and by this example uncovers nothing paradoxical or self-contradicting, but rather pokes at the perceived societal shortcomings of the mathematician in a way that could be interpreted as flippant.<p>And this &quot;pure mathematician&quot; is even contrived in an unrealistic fashion: no <i>ideal</i> mathematician would say that a proof is simply &quot;an argument that convinces someone who knows the subject.&quot; This entire student-mathematician exchange is facetious at best.<p>This article really reminds me of a strawman: it pretends to paint a picture of an &quot;ideal mathematician,&quot; but at points like the above simply resorts to vaguely offensive stereotypes (in most of the exchanges, the mathematician is stereotypically bad at explaining just about anything).<p>The final point the authors (who, by the way, are reputable mathematicians) make about mathematicians and their relationship to the outside world is a deserving one. There are many humorous and correct insights in this article (for example, the convention of concealing any sign that the author or intended reader is a human being is one that I find to be quite unfortunate and worthy of address), but I really found the pseudo-platonic dialogues to be nothing but off-putting. I think this might have been much better delivered as an earnest essay.
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CurtMonashover 9 years ago
Some of that&#x27;s pretty silly.<p>An unquestionably rigorous proof is indeed &quot;I know it when I see it&quot;, give or take a few differences. (E.g., my adviser Andy Gleason told me to take a theorem that had been proved by Tarski-Principle hand-waving and see if I could find a constructive proof for it. I did, by invoking a theorem from Vol. II of van der Waerden. He was pleased.)<p>A published proof is a claim that if one tries to flesh it out to an unquestionably rigorous one, one will succeed. (Errors are however distressingly common.)<p>The accusation of Platonism in the article is mainly hogwash.
a_bonoboover 9 years ago
&gt;No discovery of mine has made, or is likely to make, directly or indirectly, for good or ill, the least difference to the amenity of the world.<p>- G. H. Hardy, A Mathematician&#x27;s Apology<p>(Yet here we are, applying the Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium in biology, and the Hardy–Ramanujan asymptotic formula in physics)
xyprotoover 9 years ago
The ideal mathematician could be a female.
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