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A Culture Against Dropouts, Deviants and Troubled Young Adults

97 pointsby jimsojimover 9 years ago

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gozoover 9 years ago
I&#x27;m always split when reading stories like this.<p>On the one hand, I really feel for the person and appreciate her sharing. Problems like these rarely consider the practicality of the situation and shouldn&#x27;t be taken lightly.<p>On the other, I know there are kids out there who never got to go to a good school, always had problems at home and never got to feel the joy of learning. They can&#x27;t write this kind of story and even if they did no one would read it. They can&#x27;t travel somewhere, don&#x27;t have anything to be cut off from nor will ever meet someone who saves them. They can&#x27;t stop doing things that hurt them and if they become depressed they might very well end up being homeless.<p>Or the high-performing poor kids who might have to work or in other ways face academic death from a thousand papercuts. Many times because families with better resources uses all their power to make overexertion a desirable thing so other kids can&#x27;t compete.<p>Or just the normal kids who already knew from the beginning what was important and the limits to being productive. Maybe they went to a good state school and now regardless of merit have to live with being last in line after people from private schools time and time again.<p>I guess my point is that when we contemplate a fix to these problems I hope we also don&#x27;t overlook the people in different situations with similar problems.
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mwhuang2over 9 years ago
My peers in high school were overachievers who seemed to have everything figured out. I had no idea what I was doing and often had close to failing grades, despite scoring high on standardized tests (2390 SAT + 800 SAT II Math).<p>I got rejected from almost every college I applied to and ended up dropping out after a year when I actually did go. I worked two jobs and took community college classes for a year before returning to university.<p>I&#x27;m definitely more focused and mature now. I think people shouldn&#x27;t feel the need to conform to the &quot;normal&quot; path of going off to college right away. There&#x27;s really no single correct way to go through life. I needed time to figure things out for myself instead of adhering to a system I wasn&#x27;t comfortable in.
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forthefutureover 9 years ago
So I&#x27;m a similar situation except I&#x27;m hopelessly introverted. The idea of a bootcamp seems good to my parents, but to me it&#x27;s just another word for school. At this point it would be easier to get a computer science degree than to do a bootcamp because doing work in groups is the first thing I check for on a syllabus before I drop a class.<p>It sure looks good though, pay $15,000 for a 97% chance at getting a job. I just don&#x27;t want to pay someone to teach me something I already know just to get a job. That&#x27;s why I dropped out of college.
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jensen123over 9 years ago
In Japan they have this phenomenom called hikikomori - young people shutting themselves off from the world, kinda like the person in the article did for a while, until his parents threatened to cut him off. I&#x27;m wondering why we don&#x27;t have much of this hikikomori phenomenom in the West - is it simply because Western parents don&#x27;t tolerate it?
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werberover 9 years ago
I relate so much to this article. Being put into a situation where you have a real connection with other people and real ideas like a boot camp is amazing. There is way too much disconnection in academia. Places where the success of the students determines the fate of the teachers, and vice versa, makes a way more real environment. Anywhere equal investment despite histories as the basis of the Thing at hand is going to make people better off. I&#x27;m rambling
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papapraover 9 years ago
I&#x27;m in a similar situation, now at university, no idea for what I&#x27;m waking up in the morning, living the zombie life. Only I don&#x27;t come from upper class, nor I&#x27;m very talented. So the reality for people like me is somewhat different.
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dopeboyover 9 years ago
It takes a lot of courage to write something like this. Lindsay, if you&#x27;re reading this, I tip my hat off to you for sitting down and delving deep into some of these challenges. Only when we make ourselves truly vulnerable do we grow and I hope both the actual act of writing this piece and the subsequent commentary you get makes you a better human being.<p>As a &quot;traditionally educated&quot; person who went to a public school and an ivy, university is very much optimized for people who can be programmed easily. And I don&#x27;t mean that in a nefarious &#x2F; brainwashy type of way. School is a game with rules and objectives. Follow the rules, modestly achieve the objectives, and you&#x27;re validated with a degree. This validation is sanctioned by society and in some places (law, medicine), mandated by law.<p>Go off path? Deviate and carve your own path? <i>Refuse</i> to go on a path? You&#x27;re off reservation and labelled a &quot;dropout.&quot; You&#x27;re not in the box everyone is used to conceptualizing you in. They don&#x27;t understand you which leads to one of two reactions: 1) they fear you or 2) they dismiss you as a non-threat.
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xrjnover 9 years ago
I feel that I&#x27;m in a fairly related situation myself. A week ago I packed my backpack, and flew out to London to start a startup. Since my parents are not really supportive of me as I&#x27;m not &quot;studying or working&quot; in their opinion - I&#x27;m mostly on my own.<p>I&#x27;ve had some tough times recently, especially in the past week. But every time, I just look ahead and see what I can make, what I can build, what I want to achieve. It is _very_ difficult to get anything done if you don&#x27;t have a clear vision of your future. It&#x27;s _very_ important to avoid discouraging teenagers and young adults from going on their own path.
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