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Biotech CEO claims she is the first to undergo gene therapy to reverse aging

92 pointsby bussiereover 9 years ago

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erikgaasover 9 years ago
One thing to be cognizant about is that cancer is really a disease caused by the reverse aging of particular cells. If you make a cell think it is too young it is going to become invasive. We don't normally think of embryonic development requiring invasive behavior of cells, but that is certainly the case. Take a look at the development of the cerebral cortex and how cells must travel through other layers to reach their destination. It appears that they are targeting telomerase which is very interesting and parallels cancer where its over-expression is used often as a marker. But then again telomerase under-expression can occur in early-stage cancer and is thought to contribute to genome instability/mutation to affect other genes before it is eventually over-expressed. So this kind of experiment is really exciting and will almost certainly give us insight into many different medical fields. I just hope that her experiment winds up on the preventative side of cancer rather than the causative one.
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JackuBover 9 years ago
Publicity stunt instead of scientific paper in reviewed journal, "we don't care about FDA approval" attitude, undisclosed location in latin America - sounds totally credible.
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JackuBover 9 years ago
Just a note: I haven&#x27;t seen it mentioned in article, but &quot;gene therapy&quot; was discovered in 70s and it&#x27;s widely used <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Gene_therapy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Gene_therapy</a> - what&#x27;s new here is use for anti-aging and DIY nature of treatment.<p>I feel it&#x27;s important to judge weight of this story.
dbcooperover 9 years ago
Perhaps better to link to the original article at Technology Review:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.technologyreview.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;542371&#x2F;a-tale-of-do-it-yourself-gene-therapy&#x2F;#comments" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.technologyreview.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;542371&#x2F;a-tale-of-do-it-...</a>
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xiaomaover 9 years ago
This is eerily similar to the background story of many a comic book super villain.
nefittyover 9 years ago
I will definitely be keeping an eye on how this develops. Parrish is so enthusiastic about her work it is contagious. I hope this project turns out positively, for her sake and the sake of the research.
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gojomoover 9 years ago
I love how this mixes the &quot;n=1&quot; self-experimentation of Seth Roberts [1] with the &quot;not just the President, but also a client&quot; salesmanship of Sy Sperling [2].<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Seth_Roberts" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Seth_Roberts</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;IuRLGdGnqSU?t=47s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;IuRLGdGnqSU?t=47s</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Hair_Club" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Hair_Club</a>
blazespinover 9 years ago
How is this irresponsible? It&#x27;s her body. Yeeesh. She is brave to believe in her work. I don&#x27;t think the article author is aware of how the cause of ulcers was proved and shared the 2005 Nobel prize.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;discovermagazine.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;mar&#x2F;07-dr-drank-broth-gave-ulcer-solved-medical-mystery" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;discovermagazine.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;mar&#x2F;07-dr-drank-broth-gave-...</a>
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koopuluriover 9 years ago
&gt; &quot;if successful she plans to roll out a public offering in three to five years despite neither treatment being FDA approved&quot;<p>Is it legal to offer a product that hasn&#x27;t gone through FDA as long as consumers sign their acknowledgement?
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rewqfdsaover 9 years ago
You have to admit that FDA approval can be onerous, and that a &quot;mad scientist&quot; way of demonstrating technology can be an effective way to build public demand.<p>Consider another technology: safe, effective, and reversible male birth control [1]. It&#x27;s been used in India for decades, but happens to be illegal in the US right now due to the slow and expensive nature of the approval process.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Reversible_inhibition_of_sperm_under_guidance" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Reversible_inhibition_of_sperm...</a>
anonmeowover 9 years ago
There is a quite large database of genes that affect aging in model organisms: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;genomics.senescence.info&#x2F;genes&#x2F;stats.php" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;genomics.senescence.info&#x2F;genes&#x2F;stats.php</a> In this database there are 126 mouse genes.<p>It looks like (science funding) politics is the only reason we are not testing how these genes work in large mammals and primates. The public is scared of genetic engineering.
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reasonattlmover 9 years ago
BioViva is one of the small groups interested in bringing telomerase therapies to humans sooner rather than later. It seems they have started in on their small long-term trial of human gene therapy for telomerase activation, and have treated the first volunteer.<p>I should say that at any given time there is a fairly large gap between what can be done in human medicine, the technology that actually exists and works, and what is being done in trials. Most of this gap is due to regulation, and the rest of it because development groups want to have a reasonable certainty that what they are doing actually works, does more good than harm, and so forth. The regulatory process might last a decade, while the actually useful part of that testing (does it basically work, and is the risk profile sufficiently defined and acceptable to patients) is only a few years. As the cost of research and development in the life sciences falls, it will become increasingly untenable that a huge ball and chain slows progress thanks to regulatory risk aversion, and a growing number of initiatives will forge ahead and build anyway. Some years ago I proposed the Vegas Group fable, something that I think will happen in the fullness of time: alternative roads that bypass official regulation in favor of faster progress, an inevitability in an environment of low-cost research. Also, I think, a necessity.<p>What about the science here? I&#x27;ve never been a big fan of telomere lengthening approaches, as average telomere length as it is measured today in immune cells looks very much like a marker of the progress of aging, an end stage consequence far removed from root causes. Telomeres shorten with cell division and new long-telomere cells are delivered into tissues by stem cell populations. Thus average telomere length in immune cells reflects some combination of immune health and stem cell activity, both of which are known to decline with age. You can&#x27;t argue with the fact that telomerase gene therapy has been shown to extend life in mice, however, though you can certainly note that the size of the effect has been getting smaller as the research groups have refined their data and approaches.<p>How does this work to slow aging in mice? At this point I lump enhanced telomerase activity into the general category of approaches that either probably work or intend to work by boosting the activation of old stem cell populations, resulting in increased repair and tissue maintenance and thus a slower decline into frailty and organ failure. More telomerase doesn&#x27;t seem to raise cancer risk in mice, but mice have very different telomere dynamics and cancer risk profiles than we humans. The fastest way to figure out what is going to happen in humans is of course to try it, and kudos to anyone volunteering at this stage, but I&#x27;d be waiting for a few more years of testing first in animal or tissue models closer to human telomere dynamics. In part that decision would be driven by the fact that I don&#x27;t think that this is the best approach to move ahead with practical applications, to push ahead and get things done. I absolutely agree that pushing ahead to get things done needs to happen, but I&#x27;d rather see this sort of boldness for SENS treatments like senescent cell clearance.<p>------------<p>Digest of the Reddit AMA with the BioViva CEO: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;Futurology&#x2F;comments&#x2F;3ocsbi&#x2F;ama_my_name_is_liz_parrish_ceo_of_bioviva_the&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;Futurology&#x2F;comments&#x2F;3ocsbi&#x2F;ama_my_n...</a><p>I am patient zero. I will be 45 in January. I have aging as a disease. To take on this role myself was the only ethical choice. I am happy to step up. I do feel we can use these therapies in compassionate care scenarios now but we will have to work them back into healthier people as we see they work as preventive medicine.<p>The genes targeted are human telomerase reverse transcriptase (hTERT) and follistatin (FST). In animal models neither FST nor hTERT have increased the risk of cancer. We expect to see the same result on myself, and to that effect we are measuring all known cancer biomarkers. The gene therapies on my body are to measure the effects on humans. There is plenty of animal research to support these gene therapies but no one was conducting human tests. We are using both visual biomarkers, MRI and a panel of blood and tissue testing including work on telomere length and epigenetic testing. We are collecting as much data as we can, but unfortunately we currently don&#x27;t have the coverage rate for this therapy, how much of the tissue of the body is affected. Depending on the tissue and vector used we ultimately expect to see similar rates of transfection as seen in mice, which is somewhere between 5 to 60%.<p>We are working as hard as we can to bring it to the world as quickly and safely as possible. We will will evaluate monthly and within 12 months we will have more data. If the results are good we hope to have something to the general public, that is cost acceptable, in 3-5 years. Our goal is to build laboratories that will have the mission of a gene therapy product at a reduced cost. Gene therapy technology is much like computing technology. We had to build the super computer which cost $8 million in 1960. Now everyone has technologies that work predictably and at a cost the average person can afford. We need to do the same with these therapies. What you will get in 3-5 years will be vastly more predictable and effective that what we are doing today and at a cost you or your insurance can cover.<p>We need a lab that works solely to bringing those costs down. We would need about $1 - 1.5 million to build one lab to focus on this. We can expand as needed. I would love to crowdfund this project but I do not know how to get good results at that scale - I think the price tag is high for that modality. We are raising investment to do offshore clinical trials. Many USA companies do this. If we can cut costs we will be able to bring back a treatment that people can afford.
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ilakshover 9 years ago
Give her credit for taking a risk with her own health. Although of course the animal studies haven&#x27;t shown cancer development. But still a brave thing to do, and obviously worth it given the existing animal studies.<p>I believe that regulations are holding back therapy development, especially in any area that is not already popular.<p>I think this is an issue with government in general, and we will need a totally new type of government if we are going to get a moral society that integrates with technology.
YeGoblynQueenneover 9 years ago
&gt; Not once in human history has anyone been able to suppress technology once it became both possible to make and profitable to produce.<p>Yay, thank god. Otherwise it might take us whole aeons to heat the planet beyond the point we can live on it.
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