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Female violinist exposes 10 years of lewd, fetishizing messages from men online

96 pointsby jimsojimover 9 years ago

15 comments

6stringmercover 9 years ago
What a terrible experience, yet I&#x27;m not surprised to know such things happen. I hope it&#x27;s theraputic for her to get these out, and if she can turn the intimidation into some financial gains then so be it. Is there a way to discourage the behavior? It&#x27;s a tough problem.<p>As an anecdote, I just had a discussion with a female community college professor, PhD, one who had plenty of bench science experience before teaching. We are both born and raised in the US. Without naming specifics here, we both agreed that while US culture has made attempts - and is making attempts - to grow past gender subujation, there are numerous other cultures which aren&#x27;t even trying.<p>We noticed the cultural issues regarding women can be very obvious in a US educational environment. As in, for a woman to be in a position of authority, certain cultures behave in ways which do not acknowledge the earned, official status. I believe the phenomenon is real, and is a day-to-day reflection of what the violinist was exposed to in private. Also, it&#x27;s one thing in person - but the internet allows for all sorts of &#x27;border crossing&#x27; and people from all over the world are capable of reaching out and harassing someone, male, female, or otherwise.<p>In summation, I think US culture is attentive to a lot of &#x27;weak points&#x27; that need to be addressed (gender, sexual orientation, race&#x2F;ethnicity, handicaps), as difficult as they are for a diverse society...while some others are, well, really lacking in this arena. Like I said, I&#x27;m not going to name any one particular one or five, because it&#x27;s not my place - it&#x27;s up to the members of those cultures to enact their own change.
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joopxivover 9 years ago
I like that she doesn&#x27;t censor the &#x27;authors&#x27; of the messages. Public shaming might be the only remedy against this creepy shit. But that may very well be naive thinking: if these guys would think they were doing something wrong they would probably have used an alias.
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daleharveyover 9 years ago
&gt; There&#x27;s nothing we can do<p>Yes there is, the first thing would be to not attempt to dismiss it<p>&gt; &quot;of course there will be some bad apples.&quot;<p>Or to victim blame<p>&gt; Perhaps people facing consistent harassment like this should try something similar?<p>People facing similar harassment are all women, telling them to hide certainly isnt the answer<p>(apologies, was supposed to be a reply to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10425590" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10425590</a>, I cant internet)
szukaiover 9 years ago
Glanced over quickly, some are more crude attempts to &quot;flirt&quot; than to creepy, but I guess that just goes with the status quo given the complaints girls get on dating sites like Okcupid.<p>Kinda cool to see it all at once I guess?
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benten10over 9 years ago
As some others have noted, this will keep on increasing as more people use the internet. As internet proliferation amongst less &#x27;inclusive&#x27; societies (yes, even less than HN!)increases, online threat, intimidation and violence against women and minorities will increase.<p>The &#x27;social media&#x27;&#x2F;internet presumes a certain &#x27;accepting&#x27;, inherently socially liberal order amongst its users. As more and more people who don&#x27;t fit that use the internet, there will be greater hate and rudeness and intimidation in the internet, and the happy-go-lucky we-are-all-one destroy-the-borders liberal dream will end. The internet will start reflecting the extremes of our behavior, and it will be ever the scarier for women and minorities.<p>It&#x27;ll be interesting to see the evolution, and how it&#x27;s handled.
k__over 9 years ago
I read that (deep) learning algos can decide if a message is positive or negative.<p>Could they learn if a message is a harassment so we could implement a automatic filter for such things?<p>-- Edit --<p>I mean this is really bad and we should get these dudes to stop somehow. But it greatly reduced my anger looking into my inbox, when I stopped seeing spam in there. The spammers did never stop...
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dijitover 9 years ago
This is a phenomenon I see a lot on social media honestly.<p>Go to any tweet of Emma Watson and try to read the replies without cringing. It&#x27;s sobering enough to never, ever, ever! wish fame on anybody you love, let alone yourself.<p>The internet is a platform of speech for all with no restriction and it only takes 0.01% of the crazy, batshit or just fanatical people to make it seem like there is no hope for humanity.<p>I feel bad for her, being a female may make you feel somewhat less secure (I can&#x27;t speak for woman-kind so I could be way off base), while male stars get the same kind of treatment- they&#x27;re more likely to feel pretty sure that they can fend off any depraved attack when their body guards are not around.<p>For people that are not super rich but have a reasonable amount of spotlight, this can be the worst of both worlds.
bglazerover 9 years ago
As is well known, there are lots of people who get some sick pleasure from announcing their vile and chauvinist thoughts.<p>&quot;Real names&quot; don&#x27;t seem to help. I would guess that the senders of these type of messages are socially isolated enough to not see any real social consequences of openly harassing people, women in particular.<p>So, what&#x27;s the solution? There doesn&#x27;t seem to be a proportionate response that life more difficult for online tormentors. Further, any legal response would be justifiably difficult to reconcile with freedom of speech.<p>It&#x27;s just unacceptable in my mind that the current balance of power is so skewed towards people who harass others online.
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comrhover 9 years ago
The comments I&#x27;ve seen on social media surrounding this article have to be some of the worst ever, even for internet comments.
microcolonelover 9 years ago
I don&#x27;t have any public presence, and yet I get creepy messages as well. I suspect the volume, ~100 creepy messages per anum, owes to being more visible.<p>A few of these messages sound aggressive, but most of them seem like lonely dudes without outlets. Maybe they think they are the first to compliment the lady.<p>And, although I&#x27;m sure I&#x27;ll catch flak for saying this; there are in fact women who get off on all these things[0]. They make up a large part of the population. I&#x27;m not sure about the strategy, but the demographic for these messages exists.<p>[0]: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;onlinelibrary.wiley.com&#x2F;doi&#x2F;10.1111&#x2F;jsm.12734&#x2F;abstract" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;onlinelibrary.wiley.com&#x2F;doi&#x2F;10.1111&#x2F;jsm.12734&#x2F;abstrac...</a>
devitover 9 years ago
This looks like a publicity stunt.<p>If you selectively present anything you could possibly present in a negative light and do so without context, you can make anything look bad.<p>If one were to look at the ratio of such messages to praise and neutral messages, that would probably paint a very different picture.<p>Just numerically one can see that 1000 messages over 10 years is only 3 negative messages per day, and someone famous might get hundreds, meaning the negative ones are a few percent...<p>It&#x27;s a bit like collecting all the [dead] comments on HN, presenting them all at once and then claiming that HN is a terrible community.
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JDDunn9over 9 years ago
Title should read &quot;female violinist&quot;.
ben_baiover 9 years ago
She may be a violinist but she tweets like a sailor. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;mia_matsumiya" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;mia_matsumiya</a>
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jbob2000over 9 years ago
There&#x27;s nothing we can do. Her music reached hundreds of thousands of people, of course there will be some bad apples. As more and more people start using the internet, this is only going to increase. There&#x27;s going to be 3.5 billion people on the internet soon, nobody can stop that tide.<p>Celebrities have solved this problem by moving a step away from the population by using publicists and assistants to communicate. Perhaps people facing consistent harassment like this should try something similar? Or work under a pseudonym?
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dbg31415over 9 years ago
Look so many things wrong with this.<p>1) The guys.<p>2) There is nobody there to verify the guys. I mean... nobody is making sure the person who posted those pics are the actual people, so now, &quot;Oh hey that looks like my neighbor, Joe.&quot; But we don&#x27;t know if it was Joe, or someone pretending to be Joe, or who just looks like Joe, or someone who hacked Joe&#x27;s account as a prank. And why this is important... lives get ruined on these sorts of accusations.<p>3) The message it sends that &quot;all guys&quot; are just pervert sex monsters who want to rape cute online girls. If not &quot;all guys&quot; most, or many... anyway the point is really just that this woman set up a highly public profile, and we have no idea what percentage of guys who looked at it were douchebags. I&#x27;m guessing it&#x27;s sub 1%.<p>So look, anecdotally, some guys on the internet are douchebags. Sure, no question. But is this the right way to combat it? Meh. Not really.<p>SOLUTION for reducing the number of comments like these. After midnight add a drunk captcha to the forms. &quot;You must do math to proceed.&quot; Or, &quot;You must use proper spelling and grammar to send messages to someone you don&#x27;t know.&quot;