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Interview Humiliation

109 pointsby mberubeover 9 years ago

26 comments

mavelikaraover 9 years ago
Almost everyone on this site seems to have gone through similar interview experiences one time or the other. Our profession can get rid of this malady only with collective effort, as the author suggests:<p><pre><code> Lastly, this story fills me with an overwhelming desire to never continue the cycle of abuse. I strive every interview to try to respectfully work with the candidate, and never humiliate them. I want every person I interview to leave feeling loved as a human and respected, even if they are completely incapable to perform the duties of the job.</code></pre>
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carlosrgover 9 years ago
He should have walked out the interview the very moment they made the &quot;Can&#x27;t you afford a real machine?&quot; comment. Even if you pass the interview, do you really want to work for&#x2F;with these assholes?
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binarymaxover 9 years ago
<i>I never found out if I had done something to make everyone so angry. I now suspect that they were massively turned off by a host of things.</i><p>It&#x27;s not you, it&#x27;s them. You are lucky you got out of there, you would have been miserable.
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thedzover 9 years ago
<p><pre><code> This presentation is bullshit. You have no evidence, nothing valuable to show, just spurious subjective opinions. You&#x27;ve put up a straw man and now are trying to knock it down assuming we are idiots. I&#x27;ve seen enough. </code></pre> Whoever said this is a dev I&#x27;d refuse to ever put into an interview again. Hell, I&#x27;d be reluctant to put this dev into any meetings requiring communication skills.
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Paul_Sover 9 years ago
This is such comic book villainy I just don&#x27;t believe it happened as described. I wonder how the other side would describe it.
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jereover 9 years ago
Excuse the language, but fuck those people. If that&#x27;s the way they&#x27;re going to treat potential hires, they&#x27;re going to have a bad time.
jawnsover 9 years ago
What do you think of the practice of ending an interview earlier than scheduled when you&#x27;re quite sure that the candidate is not a good fit for the position?<p>The rationale I&#x27;ve heard is that it saves both you and the candidate time.<p>But in practice, during the times when I&#x27;ve seen it done, the candidate ends up feeling really hurt.
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chucksmashover 9 years ago
These guys sound like movie villains. They may be programmers by trade but they belong to no profession.<p>I have a very difficult time imagining that, as the top comment says, &quot;almost everyone on this site seems to have gone through similar interview experiences.&quot; During the dozen or so interviews I&#x27;ve personally done, I&#x27;ve seen interviewers arrive late and unprepared or unqualified to conduct the interview occasionally but I&#x27;ve never been treated discourteously.<p>Maybe the job market in 2003 was such that some people felt like they could get away with more in the name of &quot;evaluation?&quot; No clue, but seriously - planned evaluation or not I&#x27;d have certainly pardoned myself from the interview prior to the group lunch. Sticking it out to be avoid burning bridges only makes sense if you are being treated with the modicum of respect a human being deserves. Some bridges deserve to burn.<p>Edit: not about a story that occurred in 2003, so feel free to disregard my idle speculation about the state of the job market.
JoeAltmaierover 9 years ago
Sounds like a bad cultural fit. The OP was professional, talented, polite, educated and fit to lead a team. The interviewers were ... something else.
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S4Mover 9 years ago
I personally would have left the room after the comment on the Linux laptop.
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Bigsyover 9 years ago
Why not name the company? I&#x27;m going to be honest..I don&#x27;t think this actually happened.
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rwallaceover 9 years ago
There are times when it is necessary to recognize that we are interacting with the environment, not in our capacity as logical problem solvers, but in our capacity as social apes.<p>&quot;This presentation is bullshit. You have no evidence, nothing valuable to show, just spurious subjective opinions. You&#x27;ve put up a straw man and now are trying to knock it down assuming we are idiots. I&#x27;ve seen enough.&quot;<p>At this point, the correct response is &quot;Yeah, I&#x27;ve seen enough too. This interview is bullshit. I&#x27;m surprised you clowns are still in business. Good day.&quot; And pick up your stuff and walk out.<p>Obviously that won&#x27;t get you the job, but nor will anything else; in reality, as very often happens, they made their decision no later than ten seconds after you walked into the room. (Anyway, would you even want to work for people like that?) Continuing to stammer meaningless-in-context words about tech stuff will just result in damage to your self-esteem, which can have significant negative consequences in your life for years down the line.
kelukelugamesover 9 years ago
When it&#x27;s this bad you have to name names. I know it&#x27;s hard but the bridge is already burned.
RyanRiesover 9 years ago
Even if the author was just paraphrasing&#x2F;dramatizing the interviewer&#x27;s comments... I could not imagine being treated like that in a job interview.
theshadowmonkeyover 9 years ago
These guys were pure jerks. What person thinks its 2003 when you have a Linux. I love a Mac and use it on a regular basis, but Linux is the real machine. That&#x27;s where you get your hands dirty and learn the inner workings.<p>Yes, you treat the developer with utmost respect even when you know from the start of the interview that they are unfit for the job. People change over time and you never know how your company might meet him in the future. Make him an offer or not, you have to let the candidate leave with a good feeling.<p>I have interviewed at quite a few places including startups. But, never anything like this.
mellery451over 9 years ago
Classless and unprofessional in all respects. We can all learn by their example how <i>not</i> to treat candidates.
jmcnevinover 9 years ago
I find this story highly suspect, unless the writer happened to find a company run primarily by sociopaths.
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hippo8over 9 years ago
This sounds highly improbable, especially the &quot;Oh, wow, Linux, what is this, 2003? I&#x27;d hoped I&#x27;d never have to see.....&quot; comment, I honestly can&#x27;t believe there are any developers would make such a comment.<p>The OP should name the company if this interview was this terrible.
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xlm1717over 9 years ago
I&#x27;d be willing to play devil&#x27;s advocate and say it was mainly the time that peeved them (peeved them enough to fire the recruiter for giving everyone the wrong time), but they really should be professional enough to not turn into 5 year olds when they get annoyed.
ejk314over 9 years ago
What&#x27;s the appropriate response as the interviewee in that sort of situation? They&#x27;ve completely turned you off to the idea of working for the company, should you just excuse yourself and end the interview?
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oustaover 9 years ago
it is obviously a dubious story. Wouldn&#x27;t the first thing you would say as soon as you enter the room is that you got an invitation to 9h30 and not 9h? Then what did op reply to their questions such as &#x27;can&#x27;t you afford a real machine&#x27;? he just mubbled? I would reply very harshly to such comments and show them who is the weakling.<p>While they were total assholes, you were not in a desperate enough situation that would justify you to say amen to whatever bullshit they say.
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volumeover 9 years ago
Assholes can be unavoidable. You may land a job at a point where there are none. Over time they hire more assholes.<p>Get the offer from the assholes, and use it as a bargaining chip.
theflorkover 9 years ago
shame on them. doesn&#x27;t sound like a place any self respecting developer would want to spend time at. what company was it?
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stupejrover 9 years ago
Get baited hackernews, shitty to see this in the top feed. No way in hell this happened. If it did the OP wouldn&#x27;t hesitate to name the company.
geebeeover 9 years ago
The behavior of the interview team was truly appalling here, and this was a good post. It&#x27;s important to be aware of just how bad things can get in technical interviews.<p>However, much as I&#x27;m always game for a good horror story, I&#x27;m more interested in the damage that the ordinary, polite, courteous technical interview&#x2F;exam may be inflicting on people and our industry.<p>As I&#x27;ve posted in the past, I believe that tech interviews are essentially entrance exams that software developers are forced to take over and over. Actuaries, for instance, take exams on topics that correlate closely with mathematics classes, like numerical analysis or vector calc and linear algebra. These exams are recognized for what they are - rigorous entrance exams to show competency in core subjects. We don&#x27;t call these exams &quot;interviews&quot; and leave it to an some dude who sits in cubicle D-12 to decide how he feels like testing an experienced Actuary&#x27;s understanding of integration by parts today.<p>The reason I prefer to focus on the polite, respectful, professional interviews is that it helps us see the fundamental problems with our approach, rather than the misbehavior that can occur in any interview situation. I do think that the intense technical interviews in our field have taken the place of the bar, the actuarial exams, the medical boards. However, most professional entrance exams adhere to a code of conduct - students have an associated study path, they get a respected credential (reassuring their peers and hiring managers that they really do possess this knowledge and ability), they are aware of who their examiners will be and are assured that they possess the proper credentials and expertise to conduit the exams properly, fairly, and most of all, <i>consistently</i>.<p>I really would like to see developers, as a profession, determine how our competence will be established relative to our peers.<p>Now, one more thing - I said that I prefer to focus on the polite interviews than the horror stories, but I absolutely do acknowledge that a process like tech interviews may be unusually prone to these horror stories. In short, horror stories like this may not be entirely orthogonal to the core issues, they may very much be a common side effect.<p>Instead of highly respected practitioners and acknowledge experts sitting on a board, we go grab a few developers and hope they know what they&#x27;re doing. When I defended my MS project, Berkeley didn&#x27;t go out and grab a few people who seem to know the industry well enough (uh, I guess, oh, he&#x27;s busy, well, this other dude seems pretty good, have him sit in) and have them decide whether I would receive a degree. I&#x27;m not saying there is no variance among experts, some may pass you, others may not, without question. But I could be certain that the people on my committee were qualified to evaluate my work, that I had rights as a student sitting for an exam, and I would receive a lasting and meaningful credential with feedback (not just a &quot;we&#x27;ve decided not to proceed with your application at this time, but we&#x27;ll keep your resume…).<p>With such a capricious and chaotic process, yeah, the sort of thing described here is more likely to happen.
draw_downover 9 years ago
All the usual cliches apply- you wouldn&#x27;t want to work for them anyway, etc etc<p>(Seriously though, a suit?!)
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