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We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it

130 pointsby enginnrover 9 years ago

17 comments

ThomPeteover 9 years ago
One of my biggest eureka-moments I had when I moved to the states from Denmark — wasn&#x27;t what I learned about the US — but what I learned about Denmark.<p>I suddenly saw things about my own culture clearly when I wasn&#x27;t surrounded by confirmation bias of specific ways of looking at things.<p>One of the most eye-opening experiences for me; If you wan&#x27;t to understand something you need to understand it through things that are related to it not the things themselves. I have applied this to many other things in live (want to understand design, read about the things that are related to design instead of design itself.
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carapat_virulatover 9 years ago
&quot;I already am eating from the trashcan all the time. The name of this trashcan is ideology.<p>The material force of ideology makes me not see what I am effectively eating. It’s not only our reality which enslaves us. The tragedy of our predicament when we are within ideology is that when we think that we escape it into our dreams, at that point we are within ideology.&quot;[1]<p>This is a really nice documentary about all the unspoken assumptions that permeate our day to day lives, I would really recommend everybody to see it.<p>None of this is scientific or empirical, but the thing is, neither are the myriad of day-to-day assumptions that we usually take as obvious or common sense.<p>[1] The Pervert&#x27;s Guide to Ideology (2012)
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vlehtoover 9 years ago
Some of my friends report how eating certain mushrooms made the super creative. I have asked what they created? Nothing. The reason why they think they we&#x27;re creative is because they <i>felt</i> creative.<p>This article made similar thing for me with respect to learning. I feel like I learned something. But I really don&#x27;t remember what.
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rogeryuover 9 years ago
Marshall McLuhan once said that the last thing a fish would ever notice in it’s habitat is the water. Likewise, the most obvious and powerful realities of our human culture seem to also be the most unrecognised.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;stoweboyd.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;07&#x2F;12&#x2F;marshall-mcluhan-once-said-that-the-last-thing-a&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;stoweboyd.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;07&#x2F;12&#x2F;marshall-mcluhan-once-said-t...</a>
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dredmorbiusover 9 years ago
NB: I&#x27;m finding this article impossible to read, even in Reader Mode, due to the animated images within its main body.<p>1. Do. Not. Fucking. Do. This.<p>2. Firefox: include element blocking &#x2F; image removal, or at the very fucking least, animation blocking&#x2F;suppression, in Reader Mode.
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geomarkover 9 years ago
Similar, but on another level, is how we can&#x27;t see our mind very well, because, well yeah...<p>That&#x27;s one of the things meditation leads to, a sort or meta-mind state where you can observe the workings of your mind. A very subtle yet profound experience.
RodericDayover 9 years ago
This concept has been developed very well, imo, by people like Zizek. I honestly don&#x27;t care much for his political follies or his real academic research- when it comes to discussing ideology, he&#x27;s doing the best outreach bar none.<p>Here&#x27;s him giving a talk at Google: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=_x0eyNkNpL0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=_x0eyNkNpL0</a><p>A friend of mine also parsed it well like this:<p>&gt; <i>&quot;I think there is something to be said to the effect that laziness is actually where we can find a lot of insight - as it&#x27;s when we&#x27;re lazy, when we cannot be bothered, or at least where we think it is not essential to focus our attention for the sake of the work at least, that we tend to defer to the implicit shared attitudes or beliefs about the world to do the lifting for us.&quot;</i>
jlg23over 9 years ago
Sartre described this on a more abstract level in his essay &quot;La transcendence de l&#x27;ego: Esquisse d&#x27;une description phénomenologique&quot;[0], which essentially says that the active level of consciousness can never be reflected upon because the moment we reflect upon it it becomes passive, being reflected upon by a higher level of consciousness.<p>[0] english wp article about the essay: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Transcendence_of_the_Ego" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Transcendence_of_the_Ego</a>
nashashmiover 9 years ago
In the Quran, it states &quot;We have made you into nations and tribes, so that you may know one another [... not that you may despise one another].&quot;<p>We can only see ourselves once we see someone who is different.
SolaceQuantumover 9 years ago
I suppose I have an &quot;outsider&#x27;s&quot; view on cultural matters but I&#x27;ve always been highly skeptical of framing culture in such absolute terms. While it is true culture is a nebulous concept that has a tendency to leak everywhere doesn&#x27;t mean that it&#x27;s so smoke-and-mirrors that you can never sit back and examine things. Many people are forced to do this through talk therapy via the development of unhealthy thinking patterns because of a life circumstance in which they developed them.<p>I don&#x27;t know what this article is trying to say or what it&#x27;s trying to teach. It seems to be the word version of a pastel grunge aesthetic blogger.
llamatabootover 9 years ago
Terence McKenna - Culture is Not Your Friend: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Bw_lS6IuLeQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Bw_lS6IuLeQ</a>
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iamsohungryover 9 years ago
This is the obvious answer to the fundamental question of epistemology: would I think what I think if I didn&#x27;t think the way I think?<p>The answer is obviously &quot;no&quot;, but the next questions that arise from that are more complicated (&quot;What would I think if I thought differently?&quot; &quot;Is there a &#x27;correct&#x27; way to think?&quot; &quot;How can I validate my thinking?&quot; &quot;Is there a way to move my thinking towards a more &#x27;correct&#x27; way?&quot;).
snowwrestlerover 9 years ago
The study of criticism teaches one to crack open cultural artifacts like novels, paintings, plays, movies, etc. and look for the motivations and influences of their creators. It is a very useful way to examine a culture, including a culture you might find yourself in, even if it is a culture that you grew up in and would therefore be sort of blind to.<p>And it provides a set of mental tools that can be useful for the rest of your life, to answer questions like &quot;why did he write that email?&quot; or &quot;why did that politician say that?&quot; or &quot;what does this news article really mean?&quot; This is why I recommend that even technical track students like engineers take a few liberal arts classes if they can.
p4bl0over 9 years ago
&gt; We can&#x27;t see our culture very well, because we see with it<p>Sounds like a theorem of incompleteness :).
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kitdover 9 years ago
&gt; We do tend to have this unexamined assumption that the individual is a huge fucking deal. Because it feels to use that we are. Because our neurological equipment seems to demonstrate to each of us that we are quite obviously the exact center of the universe.<p>Taking time to practise stepping outside one&#x27;s own POV and attempting to measure your life objectively against whatever scale of value you hold is one of the most worthwhile and fulfilling disciplines I know.<p>It is exactly what &#x27;prayer&#x27; is, though that word comes with the baggage of traditional religion which may be offputting.<p>But in reality you don&#x27;t have to be religious to pray.
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redmaverickover 9 years ago
I was born and brought up in India and have lived in the U.S for around 6+ years before finally returning back home recently.<p>Living outside your own country for a significant length time is pretty mind expanding. This is what I have realized:<p>Culture is a very real thing. A lot of the thoughts that we have are not really our own. They are a product of the culture around you. It is pretty incredible to observe.<p>This is just from my perspective.<p>America values rugged individualism while most asian countries including India, China, Japan, Philippines value the opposite. Here are some things I found pretty interesting.<p>America: Family<p>1. Your child doesn&#x27;t owe anything to you. No child asks to be born. You made the choice to have a baby and so it is your duty and responsibility to educate them well and provide basic comfort and security. It is your responsibility to meet your own emotional needs. American parents feel like they are failures if their kid continues to stay in their home after they reach adulthood. Even the adult children feel the same way. I remember Travis Kalanick mentioning the time he was living with his parents as pretty depressing (after his startup Redswoosh failed) If you want to insult someone here you can say, &quot;Are you still staying with your parents?. You need to move out of your parent&#x27;s basement!&quot;<p>Once the kids move out, the parents reconnect with each other and will try and pursue their own interests.<p>India<p>Your life is a gift from your parents who will be the number one priority in your life. You owe your parents everything. Indian parents will do <i>ANYTHING</i> and <i>everything</i> for their kids. They will sell their property and get into a lot of debt, if it comes to that, to educate their kids and to make sure they have a great life. Kids are expected to honor and listen to their parents. Even after marriage there is a tug of war between the mom&#x2F;dad who feels that their kid is being stolen from them by the spouse. If you want to insult an Indian you can just say, &quot;He&#x2F;she doesn&#x27;t respect elders&quot;. In India parents work hard so their kids can enjoy their money and property. People admire kids who stay and live with their parents. Even celebrities who are worth many millions of dollars stay together with their parents as a family and there is nothing disrespectful about it. The children are an extension of their selves and there is a deep life long attachment. The kids will take care of their parents in their old age. People get very offended if you ask them if their parents are living in an old age home&#x2F;retirement&#x2F;assisted facilities.<p>&quot;A marriage is considered to be a union between two families and not two people!&quot;, is a common dialogue heard everywhere in India. Most people say this as if it is the most obvious truth. It&#x27;s almost like saying the sky is blue. In the US, a marriage is considered a union between two individuals and not two families.<p>Again, here is the question. How come most Americans feel exactly the same way? How come most Indians feel the opposite?<p>2. The need to learn a foreign language.<p>Most Indians know three languages. 1. Their own native language (like, Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam, Gujarati etc) 2. Hindi 3. English. A lot of people know and understand upto 4 or even 5 languages. So, there is nothing special about knowing different languages. People won&#x27;t be impressed if you tell them you know French, Spanish or Mandarin. It&#x27;s like telling someone that you can hop on one leg for a few miles. A difficult but pointless achievement.<p>For many Americans, knowing a foreign language is a big deal. They will go to great lengths to learn Spanish, French or Mandarin. Mark Zuckerberg showed off his ability to speak Mandarin a while back. I read one answer in Quora (which an elderly person wrote) mentioning that he regrets not being able to learn a foreign language. Tim Ferris shows off his foreign language acquisition skills to impress visitors to his blog and tv shows.<p>Again I have to ask the same question: How come most people in the US feel this way? To an outsider it seems really silly and absurd.<p>3. &quot;4 people&quot;. In India, many people live for the sake of society. This is true everywhere. Most people want to impress others but it is at a completely different level in India. People make life changing decisions not based on their own interests but for the sake of society. There are 20+ plus languages in India and interestingly, almost every single language has this phrase &quot;4 people&quot;. Are you planning to quit your job at Google to do your own startup? What will the &quot;4 people&quot; around you think? What do you mean you are not getting married? What will the &quot;4 people&quot; say? Conformity is everything. If your older sibling or younger sibling marries someone from a different race&#x2F;caste&#x2F;religion then it means that your family doesn&#x27;t have a value system and it will be difficult for you to find a spouse because you come from a family with no values.<p>4. Inquisitiveness. Indian people are very inquisitive. If you are overweight, they will advise you to start dieting. &quot;Looks like you&#x27;ve been eating a lot. You need to lose weight&quot;, is a common refrain. They will ask you how much something costs, how much money you make per year and enquire about your properties and other assets. If you tell them you booked a flight from L.A to Delhi, the first question they will ask is about the flight cost. If you are their friend they will quiz you about your savings. Again, this is not just one person or two but most people in India.<p>Again, the same question, why do most people born in a certain culture all behave in a certain way? It&#x27;s almost like people are hypnotized en-masse into believing some things as fundamental truths. Pretty surreal to experience it.
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nnessover 9 years ago
Noting before reading that 15mb of animated GIF&#x27;s is not a great way for an article to make a first impression.
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