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Why people keep trying to erase the Hollywood sign from Google Maps (2014)

370 pointsby c0rianderover 9 years ago

25 comments

miclipover 9 years ago
Similar issue in Sausalito above the Bridge. Wolfback Ridge Rd is a publicly maintained road yet they have a gate and sign that says otherwise. It is strictly enforced by Sausalito Police on behalf of residents. There&#x27;s some great short hikes up there that offer excellent views of the Golden Gate Bridge and headlands.<p>Even google didn&#x27;t dare go up there: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;maps&#x2F;@37.8512481,-122.4911711,3a,75y,263.37h,91.05t&#x2F;data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8AcNzesT4PvEUxpLMGA0DA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;maps&#x2F;@37.8512481,-122.4911711,3a,75y,...</a><p>Granted you can hike up Sunrise trail from the next exit but it&#x27;s a tough hill for the elderly. Friend of mine got one of those hard to remove stickers put on their car for taking her mother up there.<p>If you ask the city they&#x27;ll spin crap but confirm that it&#x27;s open to public when pushed for an answer. If you drive up there guaranteed someone will confront you and the police will show up soon after.<p>Taxpayer funded gated community for the politically connected.
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azernikover 9 years ago
The attempt to turn public property into the property of the locals reminds me of a similar, non-tech-related case, also in LA - Malibu beaches.<p>According to the law of the state of California, all beaches are public property. Of course, this gets a bit complicated when an individual owns the land in front of the beach. The people who buy houses in Malibu would, of course, prefer to have a private beach section. So they put up gates and hire security guards (illegally), block public parking spots (either physically or by putting up counterfeit &quot;no parking&quot; signs), etc. They&#x27;ve historically gotten away with it because the enforcement agency is underfunded and the enforcement process is expensive (a separate civil lawsuit for each offender). That may change soon though:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.latimes.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;la-me-coastal-penalties-20140630-story.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.latimes.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;la-me-coastal-penalties-20140...</a>
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rmcover 9 years ago
OpenStreetMap, of course, has correct and accurate directions on how to drive or walk to the Hollywood sign.<p>e.g. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.openstreetmap.org&#x2F;directions?engine=graphhopper_foot&amp;route=34.1067%2C-118.3307%3B34.1341%2C-118.3216#map=14&#x2F;34.1208&#x2F;-118.3220" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.openstreetmap.org&#x2F;directions?engine=graphhopper_...</a>
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briandearover 9 years ago
Misleading the public doesn&#x27;t solve the issue. I live inside the medieval walls of a historic French town and we are &#x27;overrun&#x27; with tourists. However, despite some of them being rather inconvienient, it isn&#x27;t like I have the right to shut down the street in front of my house to prevent the intrusive traffic that makes it difficult to even exit my garage. I knew about this &#x27;issue&#x27; when I bought the house. And, even if I didn&#x27;t, I don&#x27;t own the city. It&#x27;s a shared resource. It&#x27;s the reason we elect local governments -- to prevent special interests from dominating an issue. Government isn&#x27;t always effective, but in cases like these, it exactly the purpose of government.<p>So instead of blocking a tourist &#x27;trail,&#x27; folks on my little goat-path of a street appealed to the city to assist with enforcement of existing parking regulations. They even erected some barriers to prevent blocking my garage. However the tourists still have the freedom of access while still making it workable enough for residents.<p>But blocking the street, breaking GPS or any other vigilante response wouldn&#x27;t be appropriate because there are more interests in this town than just my own.<p>The key is to work together to balance interests in a way that is reasonably harmonious.<p>These Hollywood residents, blaming stuff such as a dog being squashed by a car on tourists are being a bit ridiculous. The dog was in the street. The fact that it was (allegedly) a tourist car that did it is irrelevant and is really just a cheap propaganda play. If the cars prevent fire trucks from access, that is something that could be handled at a city planning level and not by some residents that seem to think they are traffic engineers.
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HorizonXPover 9 years ago
So I have a story about this.<p>Back in 2007, my friends and I were at a 4 month co-op internship at Qualcomm. One weekend, we decided to drive up to LA from San Diego.<p>We drove as close as we could to the Hollywood sign, and got to a cul de sac where we saw a few cars parked, and a few families hiking down a hill from the sign.<p>We parked, and walked up the hill, noticing a sign that said it was illegal to hike to the sign. We questioned whether it was a good idea to ignore the sign, but seeing as whole families were ignoring it, we thought it would be fine.<p>We hiked for a few minutes, and then saw a security guard pull up in a car near our cars. I wasn&#x27;t sure how legally I was parked, so we went back to avoid a ticket.<p>The guard ignores all the families, and targets us, asking us what we were doing hiking up there. We said we just wanted a picture, and he yelled at us about the sign. We said we didn&#x27;t see it, and he called us idiots. He asked to see our IDs, at which point, my friend started talking back, saying no way. Being that we were Canadian, and on work visas, I didn&#x27;t want to push my luck, being a minority too. I knew that if this guard called the cops, I&#x27;d be in a bit more trouble, and I thought I&#x27;d be in jeopardy of getting shipped back to Canada. It didn&#x27;t help that the friend mouthing back wasn&#x27;t a minority; I don&#x27;t think he realized how scared we are in general of cops.<p>My friend kept mouthing off, saying that the guard had no right to talk to us like that, and we were going to leave. At this point, the guard says he&#x27;s calling the cops, and that we have to deal with them.<p>At this point, I jumped in, asked the guard to calm down, and that I&#x27;ll talk to him privately. He told me to tell my friend to watch his tone, and I pleaded with him to let us go, since I really didn&#x27;t want to deal with the cops over something minor on account of us not being American. He copied down my info from my license, gave us a warning, and let us go.<p>Now, I did know my &quot;rights&quot;, and I knew he had no grounds to detain us. But I didn&#x27;t know those signs were fake, so I really thought we might be in trouble. Also, I didn&#x27;t know if those rights applied to us as non-Americans. My friends said I was an idiot for giving my ID, and I agreed, but I just wanted to get out of there. I was 22 at the time too, so I probably was a bit more naive.<p>Reading this article brought back this memory, and now makes me realize how we were bamboozled. Live and learn I suppose.
adam-aover 9 years ago
I may be missing something, but why don&#x27;t they build a car park and widen the road? Surely it&#x27;s a lot easier than trying to stop people going to one of the most recognisable landmarks in the world.<p>It&#x27;s definitely worrying that major tech companies are willing to alter their maps at the request of a few wealthy individuals.
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adekokover 9 years ago
A large corporation accedes to the wishes of a rich elite, and helps them deny access to a <i>public</i> park? Say it ain&#x27;t so...<p>I wish there was some company around which had a motto of &quot;Don&#x27;t be evil&quot;. I&#x27;m sure <i>that</i> company would have done the right thing.
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frogpeltover 9 years ago
Everybody hates tourists and it&#x27;s hilarious.<p>You live in a place that exists because of and is sustained by tourism and yet you hate all the people who come there and spend money.<p>Here&#x27;s an idea: move to a place that tourists don&#x27;t like.
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chdirover 9 years ago
Reminds me of lombard street [1]. It can be pretty tiring for the residents to see a constant barrage of tourists, stopping their vehicles on the street to take pictures. Imagine leaving or returning home at &quot;peak tourist hours&quot;, how difficult it would be to drive your car near your home. I guess the burden is on a home owner to figure out what they are walking into when they buy a house near a popular tourist attraction.<p>Oh, and there&#x27;s also the Martins Beach case [2].<p>[1] : <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;maps&#x2F;place&#x2F;Lombard+Street&#x2F;@37.802189,-122.418144,3a,75y,90t&#x2F;data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1s442916!2e1!3e10!6s%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2Fproxy%2F_PY35bVZAGkyxeYY0BCF72LKnMgUBhpgBZda3pCd4PICkqvKXkYAk5Z707p0m9vza18L01loByAfO2sCNiXDDIVoAevnR-I%3Dw114-h86!7i2048!8i1536!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x10d3ce0ac1ec1299!6m1!1e1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;maps&#x2F;place&#x2F;Lombard+Street&#x2F;@37.802189,...</a><p>[2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfgate.com&#x2F;bayarea&#x2F;article&#x2F;Billionaire-must-allow-public-to-access-Martins-5778533.php" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfgate.com&#x2F;bayarea&#x2F;article&#x2F;Billionaire-must-allow...</a>
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JustSomeNobodyover 9 years ago
On the one hand I can kinda feel the pain of the homeowners. When my neighbor recently had a yard sale, I basically had to sit in my driveway telling people to not block it in case I had to get out. Some would actually try and argue with me. So, I know how selfish and stupid people can be sometimes.<p>But, selfish and stupid works both ways. The homeowners near there can&#x27;t deny people right of way on public streets. They can&#x27;t put up fake signs&#x2F;paint. This isn&#x27;t right either. The best you can do is just try and keep the idiots off your own property.
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logfromblammoover 9 years ago
I have to wonder why more residents aren&#x27;t trying to milk money out of the tourists. Isn&#x27;t that what is supposed to happen around every tourist attraction?<p>If I lived there, I might just pave a few extra parking spaces into my property and charge $5 for first 30 minutes and $5 each additional 60 minutes thereafter. Buy lemonade, hiking maps, souvenir magnets, and postcards from the kiosk. 10%-off coupons for checking in on social media. Hey! Hey! Hey mister; hey lady! You wanna buy Hollywood Sign t-shirt? Hollywood Sign keychain fob? How about shopped photo with your name in place of the real sign? Don&#x27;t just take selfies! Everybody takes selfies! Buy something no one else has; buy this volume-printed diorama of the sign and surrounding park, signed by the artist! Limited edition!<p>Whenever I have been a tourist, the single best way to make me want to leave and never return is to subject me to a continuous barrage of sales pitches for useless attraction-related crap. Example: every square centimeter of Disney World. That&#x27;s like the ultimate goal of merchandising, when it all sort of collapses into this state where everything becomes an advertisement for itself, and everything you buy subtly encourages you to buy more, or maybe just put all your cash in a paper envelope and deposit it into a slot under the Walt and Mickey statue.<p>That&#x27;s how you ruin an attraction. You don&#x27;t just make it secret and exclusive; that only makes people want it more. Instead, you relentlessly try to squeeze every last drop of money out of it. If you really want the people to stop coming, your Holy Grail is the online review that says, &quot;Not worth the $10 parking space in some guy&#x27;s front yard. Locals aggressively sell touristy crap, and the sign itself seems kind of cheap and pathetic from up close.&quot;<p>Of course, the downside is that unless you have some sort of &quot;identify friend or foe&quot; system in place, you get a dozen sales pitches every time you walk from your own driveway to your own house.
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ablealover 9 years ago
<i>&quot;Because our mapping services are now subject to the whims of angry, powerful residents, we have to rely on other sources to give us accurate directions. In a way, the post on my blog is almost like passing out hand-drawn paper cartography from person to person, a map to buried treasure that hangs in plain sight.&quot;</i><p>Samizdat internet ... even literally, according to Britannica: <i>&#x27;(from Russian sam, “self,” and izdatelstvo, “publishing”)&#x27;</i>
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protomythover 9 years ago
I have a lot of sympathy for people when some new things moves into their neighborhood and causes a disruption. On the other hand, I have about as much respect for these people, since the sign predates them, as I do for people who move next to farms and try to shut them down because of the smell. I think there is a special place in hell for people who alter data on public spaces.
jschuurover 9 years ago
Reminds me of a recent video I watched about the copyright issues associated with the sign: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=KUdQ7gxU6Rg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=KUdQ7gxU6Rg</a>
rplntover 9 years ago
&gt; then—in something I’ve never seen before, anywhere on Google Maps—a dashed gray line arcs from Griffith Observatory, over Mt. Lee<p>Uhm, Google Maps do this all the time if there is no route to the place you selected. I&#x27;d say I see it every time I use the routing feature by hand or by entering GPS coordinates, i.e. not when I write an address down.
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jarsinover 9 years ago
Why is it in our society threatening to sue someone doing nothing wrong is not considered the same as a violent threat?<p>Whats the difference between that homeowner saying &quot;hey i am going to break your kneecaps&quot; vs &quot;hey I have more money than you and am going to destroy your life with legal action.&quot; - which is what he was implying in his email
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jbob2000over 9 years ago
I visited a few years ago and found the whole state of California was like this. &quot;Shoo shoo dirty tourist, move along!&quot;. Locals upset and frustrated at tourists. Paris is like this too. I moved out of downtown Toronto for this reason; people coming and going with no respect for the locals who call it their home.
lipsover 9 years ago
And they can&#x27;t rent bikes, create a locally-staffed concession area, sell tchotkes, and pull some $$$ out of the tourists? Tourists gonna tourist, and might as well beat them at their own game, and put the money back into trail infrastructure, and then take the cream off the top for local services.
don_loemaxover 9 years ago
I live in Beachwood Canyon and I honestly don&#x27;t mind the visitors, I think we forget we are a NYC stroll away from the hollywood strip and this is all part of being in a major city. The setting (quiet, tall trees and lush gardens and winding hilly roads and the absence of cell service) makes it easy to forget but we are still in the city and not some gated suburb.
sceleratover 9 years ago
The recommendation to go to Lake Hollywood for a view of the sign instead is an odd one. The access road to the reservoir is even <i>more</i> twisty and narrow than Beachwood Canyon.
ant6nover 9 years ago
How about they just create an official parking lot that has a good view of the sign for the tourists, to funnel them all there.
cozzydover 9 years ago
What does Apple Maps do?
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ramisamaover 9 years ago
does anybody know what&#x27;s the current situation of this? I&#x27;m going to LA in a few weeks and I would like to know if I can get to see the sign.
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esacover 9 years ago
smegelover 9 years ago
I&#x27;ve never been to LA, but now I know.