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In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash

28 pointsby thehoffover 9 years ago

7 comments

scurvyover 9 years ago
I&#x27;ve noticed some of the &quot;Waze shortcuts&#x27; making their way into Google maps. Some of these are pretty hairy. For anyone familiar with SF, here&#x27;s an example:<p>To get from 8th &amp; Bryant to 3rd &amp; Bryant, Google Maps&#x2F;Waze wants you to get on I-80 at 8th and exit at 4th. That would be OK but you enter 80 from the left side of the interstate and must exit within a <i>quarter mile</i> to the right side of the interstate. This means crossing 4 lanes to get there. It&#x27;s actually do-able in bumper-to-bumper gridlock but when traffic is moving it&#x27;s pretty dangerous. Why not just go down Bryant Street? The &quot;shortcut&quot; can&#x27;t save more 2 minutes at best and at worst costs 10+ minutes.<p>Waze used to be good for spotting cops and speed traps. Now it&#x27;s just a collection of bad &quot;short cuts&quot;.
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WildUtahover 9 years ago
This problem is solved in Berzerkeley and for cheap. [0]<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;maps&#x2F;@37.8633369,-122.2652156,3a,75y,77.61h,70.47t&#x2F;data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sjqjUFjtnBrzM0np-WUZa-w!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DjqjUFjtnBrzM0np-WUZa-w%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D191.48755%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;maps&#x2F;@37.8633369,-122.2652156,3a,75y,...</a>
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TulliusCiceroover 9 years ago
Add diverters so it&#x27;s not practical to use a street for through traffic. Portland is starting to do this on certain &quot;neighborhood greenways&quot;.
wyclifover 9 years ago
LA has always seemed like a terrible quality-of-life city to live in because of the traffic. The amount of time spent commuting makes me wonder why tech people, at least, don&#x27;t want to move out of there.
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mc32over 9 years ago
Bollards. Give residents proximity sensors which allow them and only them access thru the bollards. Piggy backing will happen but they&#x27;ll be waiting a log time.<p>Not saying place them everywhere just make it so the open streets are more mazelike so when friends need to visit there is a way in, it just happens to be byzantine, frustrating interlopers who want to cut through.
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azernikover 9 years ago
Apps that change their users&#x27; behavior can have massive public policy effects. Whether you think this change in traffic patterns is okay or not, it was not made with the public&#x27;s interests in mind, nor with the input of democratically-elected representatives.
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theheckover 9 years ago
Congested streets are the result of them being managed by the government, they aren&#x27;t caused by poor road design.<p>All roads should be privatized, and consumers should pay for them like every other good and service they use.<p>How do popular restaurants, sports stadiums, and every other aspect of the economy deal with massive demand and limited supply?<p>Raising prices, and in the long-term making capital investments to increase supply.<p>Street congestion should be the quintessential textbook example in Econ 101 to explain the concepts of economic shortages.<p>Can you imagine any other good or service whose price never changes based on demand NOT having shortages?<p>Imagine a concert hall that charged the same price for seats whether the Rolling Stones or Vanilla Ice is playing?<p>The experiment with public streets has been a massive failure, and it&#x27;s time to be ended.
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