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Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

248 pointsby markthethomasover 9 years ago

35 comments

acangianoover 9 years ago
This is great. It sends the message that no matter who you are, prioritizing family over business is an option, especially when a newborn has arrived.<p>I&#x27;m also willing to bet that it&#x27;s good for business. An employee with better relationships at home is more likely to be productive at work in the long term.
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engi_nerdover 9 years ago
I am jealous. My mega-large, hyphenated corporation only gives 40 hours. Which I have just had approved (today!) so that I could help care for my newborn son while my wife recovers from caesarian section. Doing this required multiple calls to a third party company that hypenated-corporation has subcontracted their leave and disability claims to, as well as about 30 pages worth of paperwork. I spent about half as much time coordinating all this as the amount of leave that I&#x27;ll get.<p>My point is: even if Zuckerberg only takes half the time he gives to everyone else he&#x27;s still being very generous to himself as compared to what happens in much of corporate America. I am willing to bet that going on leave like this is probably easier at Facebook, as well.
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dimdimdimover 9 years ago
The point is --- there was no real need to even mention this on an FB post! the CEO is also an employee and he could have done this more privately.<p>I hate it when top CEOs try to prove that love &quot;work-life&quot; balance when in reality once you reach the top, its always easy to do the &quot;right thing&quot; in any circumstance.<p>If she would have been pregnant when he just started FB, then would have taken more than 2 days off?
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ksenzeeover 9 years ago
It&#x27;s great that he&#x27;s taking two months, but count me with those who think he should take more. I took three months of maternity leave with my youngest, and honestly that last month was a really good deal for my employer. I used to say they were paying me to stay out of the codebase. I felt fine, and if I&#x27;d had to go back to work I could have, but between the sleep deprivation and the distractions of having a newborn around, I was pretty cognitively impaired. They&#x27;d probably still be finding bugs in the code I wrote that month.
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parasubvertover 9 years ago
The fact this is front page news on multiple outlets , and a pile of cynical comments here, underscores how weird America is with attitudes around &quot;paid insurance benefits&quot;, whether healthcare, vacation, and parental leave.<p>Unlimited vacation policies are intended to make people act more like Canada or Europe where 4-6 weeks paid vacation is common. Most civilized countries have employer benefits plans that cover most of your salary as a parent for 12-16 weeks, and by the government (up to ~$50k annually) for 52 weeks shared between parents.<p>Mark is doing what most Dads do, and it&#x27;s a good example.
scurvyover 9 years ago
Ugh. I&#x27;m not trying to be super negative, but he&#x27;s setting a bad precedent by taking half the amount of allowed leave. &quot;We offer 4 months, but Zuck only took 2. Wanna be like Zuck?&quot; He should take the full 4 months and show everyone that it&#x27;s OK.<p>This is like the unspoken mantra of &quot;unlimited vacation&quot; really being only 2 - 2.5 weeks.
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Pxtlover 9 years ago
Future dads out there, look into this. My wife and I split the year of unemployment-insurance-covered leave (half your salary if your salary is mediocre, and that&#x27;s the cap) here in Canada and it was the best decision of my life. I got 7 months of full time dad duty in and it changed me.<p>My company and her school both offered a modest top-up on the government&#x27;s parental leave benefit, so splitting the year meant we got to double-dip our employee benefits.<p>So it&#x27;s not just good family building, it&#x27;s also good financial sense. It&#x27;s also the best way to fight the pay gap - an employer wonders which of his female employees will vanish for a year or so. This way, <i>everybody</i> leaves for 6 months or so.
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SilasXover 9 years ago
Good to know that Facebook will continue to pay his salary over those two months, all $0.17 of it. :-p
plgover 9 years ago
canada<p>35 weeks<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.servicecanada.gc.ca&#x2F;eng&#x2F;ei&#x2F;types&#x2F;maternity_parental.shtml#long" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.servicecanada.gc.ca&#x2F;eng&#x2F;ei&#x2F;types&#x2F;maternity_parent...</a><p>PS this is the minimum (through the government) many companies provide more (e.g. 1 year)
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aws_lsover 9 years ago
I have experienced a change in mindset regarding vacations, when I was an employee of a large corp vs now that I am entrepreneur.<p>Earlier when I was an employee I used to look forward to weekends&#x2F;holidays&#x2F;vacations. Not so now. The idea of being away from work for months is unthinkable for me. Local radio on Monday morning has an RJ invariably commenting on Monday-morning-blues. Luckily, I can&#x27;t relate to that feeling anymore.<p>Not trying to paint ultra-rosy picture of being a business owner. It does have ups and downs, and it being a roller-coaster ride is well documented by many.<p>But whatever stage (highs&#x2F;lows) you may be in. Typically, its hard to keep yourself away from work. Maximum duration of a vacation, I have taken in past 8-9 years, is around a week, and the median is typically 3-4 days.<p>At the same time, I do understand responsibility towards family. So if somebody <i>needs</i> to do it, I appreciate that, and definitely see myself also doing, but obviously don&#x27;t wish for it.<p>Perhaps many others here, may feel similarly.
MrGandoover 9 years ago
I&#x27;m glad to see this.<p>I can&#x27;t believe that in the US, paternity&#x2F;maternity leave is something that is left for &#x27;the market to decide&#x27;. I was hoping for Marissa Mayer to lead and set the example for maternity leave... but she took two weeks... I couldn&#x27;t really believe it, I was pretty disappointed. In my eyes what she did, sent a pretty sad message for women, her employees, and other companies.<p>I think Mark taking two weeks off, is an example, for everyone. His employees (male, female, etc) and other companies. Hey, maybe even the Government can learn from this.<p>TD;LR, glad Mark did this. Kudos.
throwaway_1003over 9 years ago
Excellent! Good for Mark, and better for the world. The average privacy invasion perpetrated by megacorps will hopefully be falling slightly over the next two months.
bisRepetitaover 9 years ago
It&#x27;s a very personal choice for everyone, as Mark points out. That said, I believe the first 2 months are not always the most interesting for a father, nor when the most helpful. First 2 weeks sure!<p>After that, if you stay home doing emails, maybe you should go back to work for real, and keep some time for later in the year...<p>Not a universal truth, but I liked the love curve over time here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;rufus_griscom_alisa_volkman_let_s_talk_parenting_taboos" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;rufus_griscom_alisa_volkman_let_s_...</a>
cdnsteveover 9 years ago
Only 2 months? Go live life while your young and healthy. The guy doesn&#x27;t need to ever work again. Enjoy every moment Zuck, they grow up way too fast.
vegabookover 9 years ago
Whatever you say about Zuck, this is a nice post. Down to earth, real, warm. I also can&#x27;t help but appreciate the non-prevalence of designer stuff and furniture everywhere in the photo, despite his net worth. Thanks Zuck. You&#x27;ve nicely wrong-footed all the &quot;robot&quot; charges. My your family and child be happy, healthy, and fulfilled.
handrakeover 9 years ago
I think it&#x27;s the right thing to do. If you don&#x27;t take everything he does upside down, this can&#x27;t possibly be bad. I believe he chose the number wisely without making it too short, which would send a message across taking a full leave is not such a good idea, or making it too long only reminding everyone that he is the one.
jacquesmover 9 years ago
Facebook offers 4 months to regular employees.
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trynumber9over 9 years ago
&quot;At Facebook we offer our US employees up to 4 months of paid maternity or paternity leave which they can take throughout the year.&quot;<p>He&#x27;s managed to make his paternity leave a PR opportunity. Acute.
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david_mitchellover 9 years ago
It&#x27;s nice that he is setting a good example but what&#x27;s really impressive about this is that he has managed to get fb into a state where him taking two months off is actually possible. How many other large company CEOs could do that without a lot of things going wrong?
dharma1over 9 years ago
UK here. Paternity leave is 2 weeks off - half of that unpaid. It&#x27;s a disgrace.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gov.uk&#x2F;paternity-pay-leave&#x2F;overview" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gov.uk&#x2F;paternity-pay-leave&#x2F;overview</a>
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return0over 9 years ago
OK who here believes he is actually going to be away from work, not doing anything? He&#x27;s just going to be working from home for 2 months that&#x27;s all.
eva1984over 9 years ago
Doesn&#x27;t mean he won&#x27;t work during the whole time...I think it is great move to send a message though, that paternity leave is not for display.
mseepgoodover 9 years ago
But isn&#x27;t this exactly the period of life where one is supposed to post a lot of baby photos on the timeline?
hugiover 9 years ago
As an Icelander; Bravo to Mr. Zuckerberg, he&#x27;s got the right idea. Hope the rest of America picks up soon.
johnwardover 9 years ago
I get six weeks and I can&#x27;t actually imagine the full six weeks being approved.
ryguytilidieover 9 years ago
Former Facebook employee here. I was never as impressed with Mark as many I&#x27;ve spoken with, but this is really impressive. I also hope it shows how Sheryl should be a CEO somewhere ASAP.
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modzuover 9 years ago
why is this news
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someangrydudeover 9 years ago
oh wow who gives a shit. a message? rich people doing regular people things, wow. fuck this industry
gesmanover 9 years ago
Means: WFH
iLiveInAfricaover 9 years ago
on an interesting note: i can&#x27;t wait to hear the answer to this question (if he already hasn&#x27;t answered it)<p>&quot;would you let your kid use internet.org to access the Internt&quot;
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alberteover 9 years ago
His dog has dreads - very cool
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rajacombinatorover 9 years ago
Hmm this could mark (lul) the beginning of the end for Facebook. But, knowing what we do about Zuck, I&#x27;d guess not.
wfnover 9 years ago
The fact that a headline such as &quot;Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave&quot; [half what FB gives anyway] receives more than 200 points on HN means that something is really wrong on that other side of the Atlantic. -&#x2F;bitchy-rant.
PinguTSover 9 years ago
To be honest, compared to Germany that is not a good news.<p>In Germany, you can have this up to 36 months (3 years) for both parants and your employer can&#x27;t send you a notice to quit.<p>So, to be honest, I have to laugh at Zuck. Or say it another way: I think, he does not value his kids. I am a shamed of him.
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chatmastaover 9 years ago
I wonder if this is by choice. I can&#x27;t imagine giving up control of something like Facebook for even two seconds.<p>Does he have to sell all his Facebook shares and buy them back at the end of his paternity leave? If not, the &quot;paternity leave&quot; is in-name-only, because he will still be the largest shareholder of Facebook.<p>You can bet Zuckerberg will still be running the show.
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