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Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

402 pointsby JoshGlazebrookover 9 years ago

29 comments

watsonover 9 years ago
Am I the only one who finds all the happy faces Microsoft have injected into the page a bit weird? It feels like they are trying to sell me some bad news but make me feel happy at the same time.<p>Don&#x27;t get me wrong - I think it&#x27;s a good move to discontinue support for older IE versions... There is just something with all the smiling and laughing faces all over the page that make all my alarms go off
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doucheover 9 years ago
Thank goodness. IE 11 has enough warts and weirdness; having to deal with all the brokenness in IE 8 was driving my front-end colleagues to alcoholism...<p>I have a beautiful dream sometimes, where I go to work, and I only have to care about supporting Chrome...
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tow21over 9 years ago
An unfortunate datapoint: for one of our products I&#x27;m still seeing &gt;25% users on IE8.<p>This is a (primarily UK) product most of whose users are on internal bank networks. It&#x27;s come down from about 40% 2 years ago, so it&#x27;s heading in the right direction - but I&#x27;m not sure I see it going away any time soon.<p>There&#x27;s huge organizational inertia inside these banks around IT systems - if we want to serve them, we need to support IE8 for the foreseeable future.
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andy_pppover 9 years ago
The document makes things wildly unclear as to which versions of IE are actually supported by Microsoft.<p>In practical terms it&#x27;s still IE9 and IE11 for a while (so far as I can tell)?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;lifecycle#gp&#x2F;Microsoft-Internet-Explorer" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;lifecycle#gp&#x2F;Microsoft-I...</a><p>I&#x27;m sure there is still a load of Windows Vista SP2 machines around...
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davidjgraphover 9 years ago
I love the way they can&#x27;t even give a straight answer to their own questions:<p>&quot;Does this mean Microsoft is changing the support lifecycle policy for Internet Explorer?&quot;<p>&quot;The latest version of Internet Explorer will continue to follow the component policy, which means that it follows the support lifecycle and is supported for as long as the Windows operating system on which it is installed. Focusing support on the latest version of Internet Explorer for a supported Windows operating system is in line with industry standards.&quot;<p>A simple yes or no will do.
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stephenrover 9 years ago
From the document - &quot;older&quot; means &lt; 11.
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Falkon1313over 9 years ago
Apologies for the rant, but this is the second article today that I&#x27;ve seen about a company discontinuing support for outdated software. (The other being a gnu rant about Windows not supporting XP.) And there was a third a couple days ago about an open source community announcing pending EOL of an old version.<p>What bugs me is so many negative comments along the lines of &quot;What about all those poor helpless trillion dollar megacorporations that are stuck on an old version because they use proprietary custom software? Microsoft is evil because they don&#x27;t guarantee to support and repair everything that they&#x27;ve ever made for free until the heat death of the universe!&quot;<p>Those companies and organizations are stuck not because of Microsoft, but because they mismanaged their own proprietary software or web applications. For more than a decade, they never even bothered to plan for maintenance, although they routinely plan, budget, and schedule depreciation and maintenance for everything else in the business - things that move much slower than software and far far slower than web development. I&#x27;m no fan of Microsoft, but that&#x27;s their fault, not Microsoft&#x27;s.<p>My Windows machine is still on Windows 7 now, and not ready to upgrade to 10 yet due to compatibility issues. But I have 4 more years to get things working in a virtual environment, or find replacements. Software that I run dates back to the 70s, so some didn&#x27;t work by default in 7, but in the end there was only 1 program that I couldn&#x27;t replace or get working with an upgrade or VM. I reverse engineered the data to migrate it (it used an obsolete floating point format from before floating point ops were standard in PCs). If I can do that, a company or large organization can do it.<p>For web software, the pace of the state of the art is even faster. Most anything over a few years old probably needs a rewrite and data migration if it hasn&#x27;t been maintained properly (and possibly even if it has). Especially anything that used old plugins.<p>But the focus on browser versions is weird. I strongly dislike the practice of web developers&#x2F;designers speaking of &#x27;supporting&#x27; IE6&#x2F;IE8 or whatever. That&#x27;s a Microsoft product, Microsoft supports it or not, you and I don&#x27;t. We support the websites that we build, which we build to current industry standards (such as they are). If you try to access it using a nonstandard client like IE6, Arachne running on DOS, Hyperlink on a C64, or a line mode browser on a teletype, then your experience will be different. The server side will work fine, but your client may not do what it&#x27;s not capable of.<p>You can&#x27;t expect to stick a blu-ray disc on a record player or shove a flash drive full of MP3s into an 8-track tape deck and have the end-user experience be the same. It just doesn&#x27;t work that way. Sure we can try to build custom client-side workarounds, but is that worth the cost (especially given that new browsers are free)?<p>Overheard at a meeting once:<p>Client: &quot;Our stats say that&#x27;ll be fine for our customers, but our executive team mostly has older versions of IE, so this won&#x27;t work for them. We don&#x27;t want it to look bad to the CEO.&quot;<p>3rd Party Agency Manager: &quot;We&#x27;ll order new laptops for them and have them delivered, just tell us how many and where to send them. It will be much cheaper for you and save us all a lot of time.&quot;
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daurnimatorover 9 years ago
Interesting that the meta tag for this page is &quot;end-of-xp-support&quot;
jp_scover 9 years ago
After that day we only need a really bad 0-day exploit to make everybody actually update their browser or switch to Chrome.
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orionblastarover 9 years ago
There are a lot of businesses that use older versions of Windows and use Internet Explorer as their default web browser and use group policy from a Windows Server to prevent the install of a third part web browser. Forcing everyone to use IE.<p>They will be vulnerable to attacks because of this and they will refuse to pay money to upgrade from XP or Vista to go to Windows 10. It will be because their business software only works with older Windows versions. They can&#x27;t afford someone to migrate to Windows 10 or they lost the source code after programmers retired or got fired and took it with them on their personal laptops because they lacked a source control system.<p>It is a big mess out there. Colleges are even worse as is the federal government who use outdated Windows Updates by three years and expired antivirus products.
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sengorkover 9 years ago
Some of the lower tier (but very common) LAN network hardware requires old versions of IE to function during firmware upgrades and configuration changes with no CLI equivalent options.<p>In most cases the hardware vendors never address the browser compatibility issue (due to focus on new products) and only provide a warning sign upon login. Likewise the hardware isn&#x27;t easy to replace in some environments.<p>This use case is completely absent from the web browsing traffic usage patterns on the internet which predominate in browser usage statistics.
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tempestnover 9 years ago
Wow, I&#x27;m <i>all</i> for EOL&#x27;ing old versions of IE, but I&#x27;m surprised at the complete lack of notice (on a corporate scale). Was this known to be in the works for a while?<p>My thinking is just that most larger companies will have zero chance of hitting a January deadline, and once the deadline passes, there&#x27;s really no urgency to upgrade by any particular time. I would think a ~12 month deadline might be more effective in getting people to upgrade (as well as resulting in fewer compromised browsers).
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zmmmmmover 9 years ago
It&#x27;s pretty interesting to see Microsoft edging out onto this limb of abandoning their long held policy of supporting their software for long periods of time. There is pretty much no alternative, so on the one hand it is not like their enterprise customers have anywhere else to go. On the other hand, it&#x27;s one less argument for companies to stick with Microsoft if they are already on the edge. I&#x27;ll be interested to see how it turns out if they keep pushing in this direction.
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qxxxover 9 years ago
ok, microsoft wont support it.. but my customers will support it forever. As a webdeveloper i have still customers that are using internet explorer 8 because it is their company policy (big company)
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hartrorover 9 years ago
We <i>still</i> have customers with IE6. Risk adverse institutions like airports <i>really</i> don&#x27;t want to upgrade things.
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gglnxover 9 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;lifecycle#gp&#x2F;Microsoft-Internet-Explorer" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;lifecycle#gp&#x2F;Microsoft-I...</a><p>As Vista is still supported, the IE9 lives on.
Theodoresover 9 years ago
So does this mean I no longer have to test my website with Windows IE (6!) 7-10 at all ever, under any circumstances? And be able to tell clients that IE11 onwards is all that has to work in IE-land?
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kriroover 9 years ago
Random thought that popped into my head when reading this (apart from the obvious...stockhappyness): I&#x27;m curious and know very little about this topic in general. How does an announcement like this affect 0-day prices? My guess is that IE11- 0-days should skyrocket for a bit but then fall because for a while they&#x27;ll be really valuable and no patches will come but then eventually too many people migrate to the higher version? Could 0-day prices actually be a decent way to forecast future adaption?
pilifover 9 years ago
Of course this doesn&#x27;t change anything for the 70% of our users who are still on XP and Vista. At best we get IE9, at worst IE8
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kentbrewover 9 years ago
Just updated <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;noaiee.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;noaiee.com</a> to reflect the new countdown deadline and discovered that conditional comments aren&#x27;t working in IE10. Anyone know how to detect IE10 without using JavaScript?
gamesbrainiacover 9 years ago
This is good news for those who aren&#x27;t using older versions of Windows (older than Windows 7). For everyone else (which is still a lot of people), this is very bad news.
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jgalt212over 9 years ago
Our front-end team welcomes this news, but I still think a non-trivial amount enterprises who do their own security work will still be using IE 8 into 2017.
kyberiasover 9 years ago
Are there any guesses when the support for IE 11 ends? Or when will Microsoft remove IE from Windows? Never?
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ollie87over 9 years ago
My work ICT department recently upgraded us.<p>To IE 9. :(
hackerboosover 9 years ago
Are they just going to do what they did with XP and extend support to those that have the cash?
Zardoz84over 9 years ago
Oh... And we must support IE 8 ¬¬
_ao789over 9 years ago
everyone smiling there is a frontend dev
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dfar1over 9 years ago
Best Christmas gift ever!
nowprovisionover 9 years ago
How will I sleep tonight...