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Uber for banking? Coins.ph turns people into ATMs

51 pointsby jaysoncenaover 9 years ago

11 comments

Dwolbover 9 years ago
I spent some time this summer learning about some of these issues if anyone would like a little context about the Philippines.<p>Remittances are a way for overseas foreign workers (OFWs, think jobs like maids in Saudi Arabia) to send money back home to their families. This is typically (but not exclusively) the mother of the household who sends money back to the father and children for things like food and school tuition. It&#x27;s not uncommon for this money to be squandered by those back home (i.e. used on material possessions or vices instead of education)<p>Most remittance money flows through pawn shops who have come to act like small banks for the unbanked. This works because low income people are typically high risk lendees. So, pawn shops take physical collateral against any cash loans. Naturally, these pawn shops got so good at making lending decisions and moving hard cash around the provinces (low income areas), they&#x27;ve effectively become the standard for low-income cash solutions.<p>Coins.ph effectively is throwing their hat in the ring to compete against pawn shops and payment providers, creating competition in the cash market which will (hopefully) increase distribution and lending transparency and decrease fees (Philipino payment settlement is very fragmented).<p>My own opinion is Coins.ph is a really good idea for small retail solutions, but not for P2P lending. The reason is crime is a huge issue in the Philippines and Coins.ph is essentially a map of people who would be able to be robbed if they carried substantial amounts of cash. Contrast this to small retail outlets who can now be enabled to lend cash to customers using already-established cash-handling processes.<p>I feel there would have to be substantial differences in norms put in place to allow for actual P2P lending. i.e. stringent identity controls and social features which de-risk the transaction for the lending party.
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Doobiedooover 9 years ago
Interesting. Apple patented getting cash from people around you (crowdsourcing ATMs) in 2013.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;01&#x2F;31&#x2F;apple-patents-crowdsourced-peer-to-peer-mobile-banking-that-could-use-itunes-to-provide-cash-on-demand&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;01&#x2F;31&#x2F;apple-patents-crowdsourced-...</a>
vvpanover 9 years ago
Please don&#x27;t call things &quot;Uber for X&quot;, it&#x27;s a completely meaningless sentence most of the time. When you say &quot;Uber for banking&quot; to me I have to idea what you mean.
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larsthorupover 9 years ago
In Denmark, our MobilePay system is often used to provide cash between strangers when needed.
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blowskiover 9 years ago
Fascinating idea. It&#x27;s basically like writing a cheque to somebody in exchange for some cash, which used to be a thing.<p>I guess there&#x27;s nothing to stop me doing this at the moment with PayPal or some other peer-to-peer mobile payment service, though.
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CM30over 9 years ago
Hmm, this sounds like the kind of idea that&#x27;s great in theory, but flawed as hell in practice. I mean, the crime issue has already been brought up, but this sort of thing means you&#x27;re a great target for the local muggers, gangs, armoured car robbing thugs, etc. You&#x27;d turn your users into the replacement for ATMs in more ways than one...<p>And that&#x27;s not even getting into the issues if this system has a security flaw that criminals can exploit.<p>It&#x27;s a neat idea, but perhaps an example of a service that doesn&#x27;t really work out well when done in a &#x27;peer to peer&#x27; way.
mywittynameover 9 years ago
So, Paypal with the ability to accept and dispense cash without a bank account.<p>The biggest problem they have is that they are using Bitcoin instead of USD. It&#x27;s going to make it difficult and expensive for dealers to extract their value in less used currencies. What will end up happening is dealers will need to exchange BC for USD ($$), then exchange USD for their currency (more $$). At that point, it won&#x27;t be cost effective for dealers.<p>The volatility of BC is going to hurt dealers even more. Unless coins.ph is willing to eat the costs of this volatility themselves.
smrtinsertover 9 years ago
Seems like a Silicon Valley idea.
lisardoover 9 years ago
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VOYDover 9 years ago
Yeah, that&#x27;s not going to end well.
StriverGuyover 9 years ago
This feels like a terrible idea.