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Why the CDC Tracks Wireless-Only Households and Their Risky Behavior

107 pointsby fraqedover 9 years ago

20 comments

xigencyover 9 years ago
It&#x27;s interesting that the article doesn&#x27;t address this, but the reason I think that relying only on cellphones without a landline is risky has to do with emergency situations, and for some reason I thought the CDC would tie into that, but maybe I&#x27;ve just been watching too much of the walking dead.<p>In the case of a cellphone-only household, it&#x27;s really easy to think of a time when all of the cellphone holders are not present, so that there&#x27;s no real contact into or out of the house, potentially with people present. In the case of a 911 situation like someone choking or having a heart attack (or a fire) that could come down to going up and down the street knocking on a neighbor&#x27;s door, or jumping in a sedan to race to the hospital.<p>I also wonder how accurate geo-location would be for 911 calls, where it&#x27;s very easy (I would hope) for 911 operators to know the exact street address of someone making an emergency call, even if they ask for the address as well.
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marcusgarveyover 9 years ago
The rise of cellphone-only households why I&#x27;m skeptical of presidential polling. Don&#x27;t most of these polls rely on those with landlines?
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kstenerudover 9 years ago
I&#x27;m actually surprised at how many people still have landlines. I switched over to wireless in 1998 and never looked back.
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mcvover 9 years ago
I don&#x27;t smoke and rarely drink, but we&#x27;re also considering dropping our landline. Mainly because we rarely use it, few people ever call us on it, the phone itself is crap, and we don&#x27;t care enough to replace it with a properly working phone.<p>A friend has dropped his landline ages ago, but he does enjoy drinking a good whisky, and he even smokes occasionally.
wdr1over 9 years ago
My wife &amp; I were wireless-only until we had our first child.<p>It turns out 911 is handled very differently (at least in California). If I were to call 911 from my landline I&#x27;m connected to our local dispatch &amp; my address is automatically sent. If I were to call from our cell phones, only the cell tower is sent (and <i>maybe</i> that), and the call is routed through a statewide system.<p>I hope to never have to actually call, but figured it&#x27;s worth the small fee if seconds matter.<p>That said, it still seems backwards. My cell phone has GPS coordinates. I would hope that someone in the not-too-distant-future we can make calling 911 as good (if not better) on a cell phone.
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nickpsecurityover 9 years ago
Here I thought I was going to find CDC secretly studying the effects of cell phone exposure on people&#x27;s health and behavior. Would&#x27;ve been fun and controversial. Gotta be something boring I guess.
zw123456over 9 years ago
For those interested in digging into the facts and data, this FCC document is actually pretty good and no white wash in my view: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;transition.fcc.gov&#x2F;Bureaus&#x2F;Engineering_Technology&#x2F;Documents&#x2F;bulletins&#x2F;oet65&#x2F;oet65b.pdfhttps:&#x2F;&#x2F;transition.fcc.gov&#x2F;Bureaus&#x2F;Engineering_Technology&#x2F;Documents&#x2F;bulletins&#x2F;oet65&#x2F;oet65b.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;transition.fcc.gov&#x2F;Bureaus&#x2F;Engineering_Technology&#x2F;Do...</a> I hope that link works but you can google the title &quot;Evaluating Compliance with FCC Guidelines for Human Exposure to Radiofrequency Electromagnetic Fields&quot; and it comes right up. There are some interesting tables and graphs for the TL;DR Figure 1 on page 30, shows the relationship between distance and ERP to the power density. Then Table 1, Page 72. Most cell phones operate in the .6 - 2.5 Ghz range and the power is ~ 100mw range. Cell towers operate at about 40 - 60 W ERP, the distance depends on where you are.
mirimirover 9 years ago
Contrary to my paranoid reading of the title, I get from the article that the CDC does not individually <i>track</i> wireless-only households. They are apparently just looking at aggregate statistics. However, I do wonder whether they retain any individualized data.
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ghostly_sover 9 years ago
I have a hard time seeing how they can control for age in their analysis of this trait, as I&#x27;m not aware of a single person under 30 who has a landline, or any intention of ever acquiring one.
ck2over 9 years ago
The mind blowing fact is people still pay for long distance calls on landlines and it&#x27;s not cheap.<p>Free internet calls have not only existed for years but you can even get free cell service these days with services like ringplus.<p>So landlines are the new AOL users (and probably a huge intersection at that).
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stanmancanover 9 years ago
We use our cell phones for all actual calls, but about 6 months ago decided to get a copper telephone line to the house in case of emergencies. I don&#x27;t even recall what our landlines number is. Nice to know we can still place a call if the power goes out.
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rapalaover 9 years ago
The percentage of households with a landline was quite shocking. Based on quick googling the percentage here in Finland is ~11%. Gives perspective to the pricing of internet services in the USA vs Europe.
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legulereover 9 years ago
I wonder how the number of people with only with mobile Internet is developing. It&#x27;s definitely doable with LTE today. However the problem are traffic intensive things: Videos, Updates, Audio
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euroclydonover 9 years ago
This was a a pretty lame article. Correlating binge drinking with lack of landlines -- what?<p>How about the correlation between longer 911 response times with lack of landlines? Now that would be interesting.
mhbover 9 years ago
I&#x27;m pretty surprised that the better quality of the actual sound of a call on a landline is seldom (at least here) given as a reason for keeping&#x2F;preferring a landline.
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pkayeover 9 years ago
How come the graph accounts for only 97% of the people?
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nissehulthover 9 years ago
<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;tylervigen.com&#x2F;spurious-correlations" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;tylervigen.com&#x2F;spurious-correlations</a> does have some interesting correlations too. For example, <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;tylervigen.com&#x2F;view_correlation?id=28580" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;tylervigen.com&#x2F;view_correlation?id=28580</a>
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backtoyoujimover 9 years ago
As of 2013 only 17.8% US adults smoked.<p>What is this article on about?
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0898over 9 years ago
Am I the only one who parses CDC as Cult of the Dead Cow?
kaweraover 9 years ago
Dupe detector? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10684054" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10684054</a>