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The High-Stakes Race to Rid the World of Human Drivers

107 pointsby zbravoover 9 years ago

15 comments

nostromoover 9 years ago
One thing I haven&#x27;t heard much about is how humans and AI drivers will interact.<p>If we all assume that AI cars are going to be very conservative and very competent drivers, will people take advantage of that? Will human drivers become even bigger assholes that cut off AI drivers at every possibility, knowing that an AI will not hit them? Why wait in a big line for an exit, when you know an AI car will always let you in. The AI driver won&#x27;t even mind, as it has no emotional state, so why not?<p>Pedestrians and cyclists may also learn that they can freely cut off an AI car at anytime they please. Why wait for a walk signal? Why walk all the way to the intersection? Just saunter across anywhere you like, so long as you cross in front of an AI car.
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larrymcpover 9 years ago
Well if this is a &quot;race&quot; as the headline says, it sure is gonna be a long race, folks. These cars haven&#x27;t yet been programmed to handle things like snow-covered roads where you can&#x27;t see the lines, or construction zones that have you driving on the opposite side of the road at the direction of flaggers, etc... there&#x27;s just a ton of work remaining to be done if your goal is truly to &quot;rid the world of human drivers&quot;.
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rcontiover 9 years ago
I just bought a 2016 Volkswagen that has laser cruise control and lane assist. I ordered the fully loaded package because the incremental cost was not large, and I figured I might as well have all the toys if I was going to the expense of buying a brand-new car.<p>I consider myself an enthusiast; I have a fair bit of time on the racetrack in lapping days and amateur races, sometimes I volunteer at car control clinics and teen instruction days. All of my cars have manual transmissions and I ride a motorcycle. I definitely did not expect to become dependent on any driving nannies.<p>What I&#x27;ve found is that it&#x27;s absolutely astounding how fast you come to trust the automated systems. In my car, the laser cruise control will drive the car for you at virtually any speed. It does a great job of keeping up in traffic, has no issues with hills or going around bends, it&#x27;s always able to track the car in front of me perfectly. It uses the brakes to slow the car. I&#x27;ve got the manual transmission so it only slows the car down to about 15mph and then prompts me to take over and press the brake; if I had the automatic, it would come to a full stop in traffic and only require a tap of the accelerator to resume once traffic ahead started moving.<p>Even though I only have 700 miles on the car and have only used the laser cruise for perhaps 20 or 30 miles in total (mostly just playing with it), I find I still expect the system to brake the car once disengaged. For example, I&#x27;ll be coming up to a red light, lift off the throttle, start braking, and then think to myself &quot;huh, I wonder why the car didn&#x27;t start slowing down for me.&quot;<p>The lane assist feature will correct the steering once or twice if you start to come too close to the lane marker (within maybe 2 feet) but it&#x27;s very subtle and you barely feel it while your hands are on the wheel. After a correction or two (and maybe 10 seconds, I&#x27;m not sure exactly how it decides), the system tells you &quot;hey, idiot, you&#x27;re supposed to be steering&quot;. I have, on multiple occasions, been surprised that it &quot;allowed&quot; me to get as close as I was to adjacent cars, before realizing that it only is meant to keep me within my lane, it knows nothing about the vehicles around me. But something about the fact that it has lane assist (and, incidentally, ultrasonic parking sensors) fools me into thinking it knows more than it does. I&#x27;m not saying I was letting the car drive for me, I was fully in control, I was simply surprised that it didn&#x27;t override my judgement of how close is too close.<p>It&#x27;s a brave new world out there. It&#x27;s surprising how quickly you cede mental control, if not physical control, even to systems that have clearly defined limits and features that you don&#x27;t even intend on using, let alone relying on. I imagine things will get worse before they&#x27;ll get better. That said, humans are bad enough drivers that it might not get MUCH worse!
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vectorjohnover 9 years ago
The comments on here are funny. People lose their mind when it comes to autonomous anything. ZOMG everyone&#x27;s going to shoot down autonomous delivery drones! People will walk out into traffic! People will hack their cars and do crimes!<p>Come on. All this is illegal now. It will still be illegal, and easily enforceable. Which is what keeps crimes from happening. That and human decency which most people have.
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beachstartupover 9 years ago
anyone work on artificial intelligence technologies here? i have some lay questions - is anyone testing driverless cars in an environment where most cars are driverless? does that make a difference?<p>are there any weird effects &#x2F; properties that can emerge?<p>does it have the potential to solve the persistent traffic jam issue?
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isaaaaahover 9 years ago
In the city of Nuremburg, Germany in the year 2006 Siemens started to introduce automated trains. Until this day, they have to be operated under supervision. So how exactly do all these tech companies want to get the fact out of the way, that there is an actual AI needed before they can dive into autonomous cars driving the streets? The wet dream of big biz for sure, if only it could meet up with reality. Sorry for not thinking big enough, im just confused how those companies, that not even manage to get their own available products to be working flawless want to step into a market where things will cost lives.
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gaddersover 9 years ago
For people looking for an investment opportunity, once self-driving cars are a reality, buy shares in British Pub chains. Being able to have a drink and not worry about how to get home will make them a lot more accessible.
aurizonover 9 years ago
well, first auto-car, then auto-truck, then auto-truck-train. (3-10 trailers with one tractor, and possibly hub motors suitable for long hauls with no turns) Then electric cars pas gas based cars. Then electric trucks with droppable battery packs - full charged in 2 minutes by changing it. Then they will get into local driving and delivery, into large mechanical drop boxes at houses and businesses. Deliveries 24-7. The box can be a wall port with a live floor = lots of space. The beginning of the robot age. The last thing they will invent, before people are gone, will be the robot consumer...
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shanehobanover 9 years ago
Perhaps a better solution would be something totally void of automobiles?<p>In terms of efficiency, is using the same technology (cars) in a different way - removing the driver - really going to have long term affects?<p>My guess is that cars themselves will be out of production before we reach 100% adoption of driverless cars.
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Animatsover 9 years ago
For a sense of how this is going, you can read the California DMV&#x27;s collection of autonomous vehicle accident reports.[1] 9 from Google, one from Delphi. Almost all the Google ones are a Google vehicle being rear-ended by another car at slow speed. Typical situation: Google AV turning right on red after a full stop. AV advances enough to get a good sensor view of cross traffic, detects cross traffic, and stops. Following vehicle rear-ends Google AV. Not AV&#x27;s fault.<p>If manually driven cars had radar-controlled braking (now a common option, and one which may become as standard as ABS in a few years), that&#x27;s enough to stop most rear-end collisions. That may be all that&#x27;s necessary for AVs and human-driven cars to play well together.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dmv.ca.gov&#x2F;portal&#x2F;dmv&#x2F;detail&#x2F;vr&#x2F;autonomous&#x2F;autonomousveh_ol316" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dmv.ca.gov&#x2F;portal&#x2F;dmv&#x2F;detail&#x2F;vr&#x2F;autonomous&#x2F;auton...</a>
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thrownaway2424over 9 years ago
There&#x27;s a crazy claim &#x2F; instance of the Chinese Soda Fallacy in the middle of the article. Why would the first-mover developer of automatic driving software be able to reap 10 cents per mile driven?
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jmspringover 9 years ago
I don&#x27;t have a commute. I just recently downsized from a VW gross polluter TDI (jetta sportwagen) to a Toyota off-road tacoma. 1&#x2F;2 the gas milage. This will probably be the last vehicle I personally buy for years. It will be mostly road trips and off road camping.<p>The wife plans on a Tesla Model 3 as her car.<p>For my uses, even my 2016 Tacoma TRD OR screams over technical for a lot of back country camping &#x2F; jeep trail stuff.
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WalterBrightover 9 years ago
I&#x27;m going to miss shifting gears and double clutching.
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ourmandaveover 9 years ago
When my grandfather died back in the &#x27;80s my grandmother had to learn to drive because she&#x27;d been a passenger her whole life.
grogenautover 9 years ago
Sorry for typos, eating fried chicken...<p>I cant wait to see what happens once the modders and criminals get a hold of self driving cars. My awesome car would pretend to be an emergency vehicle. Pretend to be a truck and that it can&#x27;t stop easily, pretend emergencies so people move, claim that it&#x27;s chaging lanes to mess with people. Without a centralized authority it&#x27;s just negotiation. With a CA then humans and remote locations will have issues.<p>It&#x27;s going to be a great dystopian future.
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