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An open letter to Paul Graham

38 pointsby jm3over 9 years ago

5 comments

gexlaover 9 years ago
&gt; If a billionaire is taxed 80% on the year he or she earns that billion, they will still be worth $200 million.<p>I have never been a billionaire, so I don&#x27;t know how this works. How do you earn a billion dollars? I&#x27;m guessing in most cases this would be paper wealth (ownership of businesses) and you would pay taxes on that wealth when you cash out. I&#x27;m also guessing that there are loads of loopholes here and that almost nobody would subject themselves to an 80% capital gains tax.<p>Edit: And of course, rich people can lobby to create more loopholes. Poor people just have to pay their taxes.
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bonobo3000over 9 years ago
What? I get the article was provocative, but this doesn&#x27;t make any sense..<p>* If a startup&#x2F;piece of technology takes $X to make (VC money, costs of running business etc.) and makes more than $X, it DOES grow the pie. This is almost a definition of the word technology (before it came to mean tech related to computers specifically). A skilled person can take $10 of wood and make a $50 chair out of it - thats value creation.<p>* The progressive tax on rich - PG was saying basically the same thing here, not sure what you are attacking. quote:<p>&gt; For example, let&#x27;s attack poverty, and if necessary damage wealth in the process. That&#x27;s much more likely to work than attacking wealth in the hope that you will thereby fix poverty. [9] And if there are people getting rich by tricking consumers or lobbying the government for anti-competitive regulations or tax loopholes, then let&#x27;s stop them.<p>I think he was just talking about rich people kind of being demonized by the media, they like to paint a story of rich as the oppressive ruling class which everyone else needs to rise up against. That only divides people, there are peaceful solutions too..
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NhanHover 9 years ago
Even at 0% GDP growth, the total assets of the nation is still growing, so the pie of wealth is growing as well. Did I miss something?
johngaltover 9 years ago
&gt; So by taxing the wealthy and spending it on services, we can better ensure that the level playing field you allude to continues to exist.<p>You could tax the rich at whatever rate you feel appropriate and still be deficit spending at current spending levels. So I guess the good services you expect should already be there.<p>Plenty of tax money goes into the government coffers, and they spend even more than what goes in. It&#x27;s rare to see good services in return.
orionblastarover 9 years ago
No matter how well you market or sell basic income, it has to be paid with by taxes on someone.<p>The people being taxed for basic income will feel like they are being targeted or hunted.<p>We are reaching a social security crisis as the Baby Boomers retire and there will become more people on social security than working to pay taxes to support it. Either the fed increases taxes on workers or they print up more money and go into debt.<p>Whomever becomes President in 2016 is going to have to clean up social security as well as address this income inequality issue and basic income.<p>In all honesty if you put a 80% tax on the rich, they will just move out of the USA to a nation with lower taxes and move their business and jobs there.
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