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Why the 2012 non-Retina MacBook Pro still sells

102 pointsby daigoba66over 9 years ago

22 comments

verisimilitudeover 9 years ago
I&#x27;m writing this from a late 2008 Macbook (the first Unibody Macbook, and the direct ancestor of the Macbook the article talks about). On this laptop, I finished school, develop, Photoshop, store all my pictures&#x2F;videos&#x2F;music. It is my only machine. It&#x27;s great. I&#x27;m about to purchase my third battery for it (they decline dramatically at around 1300 loadcycles); replacement is very simple (there&#x27;s a door on mine), even though Apple no longer sells replacement batteries. I&#x27;ve maxed the ram to 8GB, put in a 256GB SSD.<p>So what happens when I finally purchase a new laptop, use it for 5 years, and Apple no longer supports replacing the battery? Then I&#x27;m spudgering out glued-in batteries with iFixit&#x27;s iOpener. And I&#x27;d eventually like to upgrade to 512GB, but $700 up from the base price of the 13&quot; Macbook Pro is not how I want to do it... I&#x27;d rather wait and upgrade it myself. Will OWC make the SSD card to do it? Hopefully. It&#x27;s just... disappointing. I&#x27;d like a way to get the bulletproofness (just over 7 years on this one without issue) of a solid aluminum unibody but not give up the upgradeability.<p>Perhaps I&#x27;m a dinosaur.<p>Guess I&#x27;ll shoot for another 3 years with this thing until the base Macbook Pros are a significant upgrade. Oh well.
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gruturoover 9 years ago
One additional reason it still makes sense as a product: last 3-4 years have been... Quite underwhelming, from a CPU power perspective. A little bit of power efficiency, which does have its place on a laptop, but other than that, hardly anything noticeable in day to day use.<p>Intel is <i>clearly</i> not feeling the heat from competition and their pricing, minimal improvement and feature fragmentation clearly show it.<p>Giving up on AMD ever going back to making them feel a bit of heat again.<p>So wishing for Apple to release an ARM MacBook, just to put some fear into Intel, and return some health to the market.
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shirroover 9 years ago
I have an ancient mid-2009 MacBook. I walked out the Apple retailer and straight into a cut-price PC parts shop and upgraded the ram and hard drive to avoid some Apple tax. I am probably overdue to replace my second battery but I haven&#x27;t been travelling much for awhile. My second or third HDD was swapped for an SSD quite some time ago.<p>It wouldn&#x27;t be fast enough for some jobs but as long as I have browser and terminal I cope ok. I have been going to replace it for years but Apple keep on making more and more unserviceable hardware.<p>I am a very satisfied Apple customer who will never buy another Apple product. When this machine dies I will buy a quality laptop that isn&#x27;t disposable and run Linux again.
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soaredover 9 years ago
&gt; It’s very inexpensive, even when specced up. $1400 buys the fastest CPU, 8 GB of RAM, and a 1 TB disk from Apple<p>I had to laugh a little at this. $900 bought me a 5th gen i7, 16gb RAM, 1TB SSD and 256gb SSD. I do have to suffer through w10 and a lenovo backdoor though.
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petemc_over 9 years ago
The built-in ethernet is the biggest selling point for me. My work often requires me to plug into various devices via wired ethernet and it&#x27;s almost guaranteed I would forget&#x2F;lose an adapter one day.<p>If the 2008 macbook I&#x27;ve used every day since I bought it new fails, and the spare I got from a rich client who felt the need to upgrade also fails, I would probably consider buying 2012 version.
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cooper12over 9 years ago
One reason not mentioned is that you can actually replace the disk drive with a caddy to put in another hard drive. I replaced mine with an SSD. I also upgraded the RAM so I could finally appease Chrome because I would get a lot of swapping to disk previously. I&#x27;d say it&#x27;s quite competitive to the later models and does everything I need. (Just don&#x27;t look at a retina screen or you&#x27;ll be jealous) Repairability is a huge feature that is being lost, so I&#x27;m very grateful to iFixit for advocating for it and putting out such valuable guides. Sadly, there&#x27;s an issue with mine where the hard drive cable breaks after a few months and I&#x27;ve had to get it replaced about 4 times already. The thermals also aren&#x27;t very good so under heavy CPU load it heats up, though that doesn&#x27;t happen for me much unless I (rarely) play a game or use all my cores. The added ports are just a bonus, even if I don&#x27;t use them often like the Ethernet port.<p>Edit: Just noticed that it is mentioned in the first footnote.
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dkrichover 9 years ago
The short version of this is that there is a lot of money to be made from enterprises by selling them outdated technology because enterprises are almost always slow to adopt new technology. That&#x27;s how Dell and Microsoft Sharepoint still make a lot of money.<p>It&#x27;s not necessarily a bad thing when taking into account the economics of training IT personnel and the added costs of supporting cutting edge technologies. But I don&#x27;t think many individual buyers would argue that the 2012 MBP is a better computer in pretty much any way than a 2015 MBP with Retina display.
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centizenover 9 years ago
This 2012 MacBook has been a cult hit amongst doctors and other medical professionals that I support, largely because patient information is still transferred via CD or DVD.
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bbodyover 9 years ago
I am also still on the 2012 non-Retina MacBook Pro and I love it. I have added an SDD, moved HDD to DVD slot, replaced the battery and added an extra 8gb of RAM (will upgrade to 16gb when I can justify it).<p>I love my MacBook Pro and am dreading when I have to upgrade, the price of buying a new one doesn&#x27;t seem worth it considering just a moderate spec upgrade.
Negative1over 9 years ago
Writing this on mine right now. I went with the mid-priced model figuring the HDD size and extra RAM would basically cost me about the same if I bought and installed them myself.<p>After a year I took out the DVD drive and replaced it with a 512GB SSD giving me over a TB of storage. That hurt the battery life (and increased the weight) quite a bit but it dramatically decreased startup time, made everything a bit faster and made sure I wasn&#x27;t constantly hurting for storage.<p>Next up is the battery which is definitely not holding the same charge anymore.<p>At work I have the latest and greatest and it is fantastic but most of that is just cake for most users. Biggest things I like about newer Macs? Retina and a thinner&#x2F;lighter profile. For the really hefty stuff (games, graphics programming, 3d modeling...) I have a custom built PC from the same time that blows it away performance wise.<p>In the end, right tool right job.
yuhongover 9 years ago
I have been thinking about Apple and EPEAT for a while now. Why not make MacBooks with removable batteries etc that are not outdated for governments etc that need it?
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bluedinoover 9 years ago
The 13&quot; Air can often be had for $799 which makes it that much more appealing.<p>I have an i7 2012 13&quot; Pro loaded up with 8GB of RAM and 512GB SSD. It&#x27;s a pretty potent machine but the screen resolution holds it back somewhat - I wish they had put a 1440x900 screen in it like the Air.
tomcamover 9 years ago
All the bad things people are saying&#x2F; implying about the new MacBook are completely right! But the truth is, I wouldn&#x27;t trade mine for anything, because I love the fact that it&#x27;s incredibly light and does not have a fan. I have many, many, MacBook Airs and mac pros, but the MacBook Air has always seemed to have a problem with the fan going on at random. Now that there&#x27;s no fan, I&#x27;m a very happy developer.
Overtonwindowover 9 years ago
An excellent write up. In 2013 I was afraid they were going to get rid of the 101, so I bought it. Still using it today, and I just purchased a hard drive upgrade to put in it. It will probably be my last MacBook for many years to come. Upgradability, is the most important feature in my book. I still have A 2009 model running Snow Leopard, and it works great. I see no reason to go to a retina machine
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discodaveover 9 years ago
I hear that a large Seattle based software company known for being &#x27;cheap&#x27; gives their developers the oldest&#x2F;cheapest Macbooks that they can...<p>:)
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secondtimeuseover 9 years ago
I just realized that this is the one that I use and love. Given the ample number of ports USB&#x2F;Ethernet&#x2F;Thunderbolt and SSD I have never felt a need to replace it. The lack of non-Retina screen does not bothers me much since I use it with an external monitor. Having read this article I am now worried about breaking it since it seems Apple has no better options yet.
jtcond13over 9 years ago
Writing this from a mid-2009 13&quot; MacBook Pro (2.26 Ghz processor). I&#x27;ve also upgraded RAM&#x2F;HD over the years, as well as replacing the battery. It&#x27;s mostly for internet with some occasional programming and sound editing. It runs the latest Mac OS.<p>Is there an obvious reason to upgrade that I&#x27;m missing?
mindoover 9 years ago
I have late 2011 MBP 13. I did upgrade it with 16GB ram&#x2F;512SSD and 32GB MiniDrive (SD). Don&#x27;t see any reason to upgrade ATM. Looking at MBP 12&#x27;&#x27; single port insanity im scared to even think about it...
doggydogs94over 9 years ago
I needed a Mac to write iPhone apps using XCode. I found a 101 on eBay for about $750; 256GB SSD plus 4GB memory; upgraded to 16GB memory for $80. The 101 was perfect for what I wanted.
ddingusover 9 years ago
This is my favorite model. Just suffered a spill and I&#x27;m debating whether to fix it, and I have once before, and it was not easy, or get another one...
rileymat2over 9 years ago
I love my current 17 inch 2011 MacBook Pro for a lot of reasons outlined in the article and will not be happy when I need to replace it.
mschuster91over 9 years ago
13 inch is SMALL. Does a MBP exist with the same features (user-accessible disk&#x2F;ram&#x2F;battery&#x2F;optical) in the 15in range?
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