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The Myth of the Unlimited Vacation Policy

25 pointsby gershwinover 9 years ago

7 comments

pjc50over 9 years ago
Indeed. It&#x27;s a means of weaponising ambiguity into guilt. Everyone knows it&#x27;s not unlimited, because you can&#x27;t take 3 months off. But because there&#x27;s no boundary, the real limit has to be found by stressfully, riskily probing it. Then there&#x27;s plenty of room for favouritism in who&#x27;s actually allowed to take the time off.<p>See &quot;Tyranny of Structurelessness&quot;, etc, etc.
finance-geekover 9 years ago
Some of the nefarious reasons in the article and comments may well be true -- but there is a simple accounting reason for &quot;unlimited&quot; vacation policies -- companies do not need to pay workers for accrued vacation days un-taken.<p>In some states and countries, use-it-or-lose-it policies are not legal, so employees always accrue the days, often carrying them from year to year. It is a bit unfair since the employee leaving hits the company with a big payout (though the payout is just payout that should have happened long ago.) On the other hand it is very fair, as i&#x27;ve been stuck in some companies where my boss would not let me take vacation, so the payout was the least they could do.
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phamiltonover 9 years ago
At a previous company with a &quot;no vacation policy&quot; policy, I found I was more liberal with my odd Friday off to go skiing, and more likely to work remotely one or more days on my actual vacation.<p>Today, with a normal PTO accrual system, I find myself very aware that a day of vacation costs me $500 in lost paid out PTO. That makes a semi spontaneous Friday on the mountain more expensive than I&#x27;m comfortable with. It means that when I&#x27;m bored over the year end holidays at my in-laws home I don&#x27;t do any work even if I feel like it because I don&#x27;t want to waste my limited PTO.<p>Honestly, I&#x27;d rather ski more and have semi-working vacations. Not all the time, but often.
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smt88over 9 years ago
Like unlimited free food&#x2F;snacks, a ping pong table, nap rooms, and many other &quot;unbelievable&quot; office amenities, the unlimited vacation policy seems cynically designed to keep you in the office as long as humanly possible.
NickMover 9 years ago
Obviously this is just anecdotal, but I work for a company with an unlimited vacation policy, and I&#x27;ve actually enjoyed it. I probably average 4 weeks of vacation per year, which is what I had in my previous (non-unlimited) job. But, now if I want to take more vacation one year and less vacation another year, I don&#x27;t have to worry about whether my plans fit into whatever arbitrary limitations my employer might impose.<p>I&#x27;ve also never had a vacation request denied, and nobody has ever given me any crap about taking too much time off, although not everyone does take as much vacation as I do.<p>I&#x27;m sure there are companies and situations where &quot;unlimited vacation&quot; does end up translating to &quot;no vacation&quot;, but I feel like a lot of the complaints about unlimited policies stem from people who are overly insecure about their careers. If you do good work and are a valuable asset to your employer, nobody is realistically going to fire you for taking an extra week off now and then.
gargravarrover 9 years ago
I think it stems from the limit imposed by the number of days elsewhere; since the days don&#x27;t carry forward (or if they do, not all of them), you HAVE to use them, which creates incentive to take vacations or you miss out.<p>And just like anything else unlimited, having it available without pressure to use it is kind of like a gym pass, you COULD go, but do you really want that hassle just yet?
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noir_lordover 9 years ago
Unlimited with a minimum would be better since you&#x27;d have a lower bound and everyone would get at least a sane amount off.<p>In the UK though we get good mandatory holiday days for FT employed.