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Magic+

687 pointsby calvin_cover 9 years ago

98 comments

paulover 9 years ago
A lot of skepticism here, which is understandable given the somewhat unbelievable scope of what they are promising.<p>I&#x27;m a very active user of Magic+, so I&#x27;ll give my perspective. (and of course I&#x27;ve been working with them from the beginning at YC, so you&#x27;re also free to discard my opinion as biased)<p>For me, Magic+ is basically the impossibly good personal assistant, kind of like Jarvis in Iron Man, or Emily in The Devil Wears Prada. Unlike a conventional assistant, it&#x27;s available 24&#x2F;7, always happy to take on more work, and capable of accomplishing just about anything.<p>Obviously the $100&#x2F;hr price point puts it out of reach for most people, but my expectation (as an investor) is that as the tech improves, they will be able to bring down the price while maintaining or even improving the quality of the service (I call this the Tesla strategy).<p>For me however, $100&#x2F;hr is totally worth it since it effectively increases my leverage and enables me to get more done in less time. I&#x27;ve used it to plan events for YC founders, answer questions that are hard to Google (they will find the right experts and ask them), and provide unique and memorable gifts to friends, family, and business partners. I&#x27;m used to paying a high price for quality professional services such as accountants or lawyers, so $100&#x2F;hr for the best possible assistant feels completely reasonable and rational.
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joslin01over 9 years ago
Looks like the reception isn&#x27;t doing too well. I remember when Magic launched here on HN and it BLEW up. I was one of the people who tried it out. I live in NYC and actually had a poor experience.<p>The first two times, I said &quot;hey I want a sandwich with [x]&quot; and I got it but it took a lot longer than if I just clicked the necessary buttons on Seamless. Then I kept getting random calls from time to time from pizza delivery men saying they were downstairs.<p>They were very apologetic and nice about it, but really it just wasn&#x27;t worth it for me. The CTO (I think) reached out to me some months later asking why I stopped and well it&#x27;s the same answer: very little utility for someone like myself. If I were rich, hey sure why not boss someone around for random things (though I don&#x27;t know why I wouldn&#x27;t just hire someone I can trust). However, if you&#x27;re middle income or even a little higher, what&#x27;s the point really? Everything else is basically on-demand in this new uber-fied world.
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BookmarkSaverover 9 years ago
Ok. I must seriously be missing something here. I&#x27;m usually the last person to complain about shilling, because even on the very rare occasions that I am confident that some sort of &quot;astroturf&quot; operation is going on I usually find it to be a somewhat valid or at least entertaining form of promotion and don&#x27;t care that it is clearly just advertising.<p>But seriously, this thread is absurd. I truly do not understand how a significant portion of this site (even knowing that it is probably largely made up of affluent, educated people) consider this to be even a reasonable value proposition. I&#x27;m not incredibly affluent or anything, but by any standard short of the true &quot;1%&quot; I am extremely well off. However the level of wealth required that a blind commitment of $100&#x2F;hr for trivial delagatable tasks is way beyond anything I would consider using, especially considering the significant upfront purchase that seems to be required. What ten hours of random bullshit that I not just need done, but would entrust to a stranger without known qualifications is worth $1k? Not much...<p>But this comment section is filled with well crafted top level praise of the service with a staggering amount of popularity for what seems to be an extreme luxury service. Compounded by very &quot;reasonable&quot; objections with immediate and solicitous responses by accounts claiming to be representatives humbly begging for an opportunity to right their wrongs and improve the service.<p>This whole thing looks like a finely tuned campaign to leverage highly-regarded social media in a wide scale blitz to make the absurd product seem reasonable. Seriously, I&#x27;m staggered at this comment section and the popularity here.<p>And this &quot;target market&quot; excuse seems like crap. If the &quot;target market&quot; is extremely rich folk who would consider dropping $100&#x2F;hr on miscellaneous unskilled labor with almost no real guarantee of reliability or quality, then they wouldn&#x27;t be blitzing a random social media site to improve their image (which they explicitly are doing with mr. cmikec running around). They&#x27;d focus their efforts on true premium clients and demonstrate some sort of solid guarantee of their reliability that a suspicious rich person might actually accept. This whole thing looks like an attempt to make random $100&#x2F;hr requests somehow seem reasonable to people who can technically afford it but typically wouldn&#x27;t even consider it if they didn&#x27;t see it as a &quot;normalish&quot; thing to do.
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nlhover 9 years ago
I&#x27;m trying to figure out why I (too) am having a strong negative reaction to this. Let me think out loud:<p>I&#x27;m fortunate enough to have a real personal assistant. She&#x27;s amazing, she knows me, she does fantastic work, and I pay her a fair and reasonable wage (including health care) that&#x27;s far less than $100&#x2F;hour. So let&#x27;s put me in the category of &quot;people who can afford a personal assistant&quot; but not quite in the category of &quot;people who demand to meet Tina Fey &amp; Amy Poehler on demand.&quot;<p>I would NEVER in a million years consider replacing my assistant with a faceless nameless AI-assisted service. I have a number of friends who are also fortunate enough to have assistants. They would NEVER consider replacing their assistants with a faceless nameless AI-assisted service (at least one friend has an assistant that&#x27;s been with him for years and is basically part of the family).<p>And with the examples they give, Magic+ is painting a picture of both a service and user that&#x27;s highly specific -- wealthy enough to afford these luxuries, but not willing to make the investment of hiring a real person to build a real relationship with to perform these tasks.<p>So the whole thing feels....dismissive. I guess that&#x27;s the best word I can come up with. Dismissive of money (&quot;Entertain me with Tina Fey - I will pay for her presence.&quot;), dismissive of human contact (&quot;I don&#x27;t want a real assistant - I just want to text a service to do my bidding.&quot;) Dismissive of warmth. It&#x27;s sort of what I imagine a caricature of a dystopian tech billionaire would want -- all of the somethings with none of the someones.<p>I dunno. It just feels ... off. Sorry I can&#x27;t come up with something better. But as the target demographic (I think?), I&#x27;m feeling like the pitch is very off-target and off-putting.
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tghwover 9 years ago
I just signed up to see if they could renegotiate my Comcast price for me. It turns out you have to buy either 10 hours at $100&#x2F;hour or 40 hours at $75&#x2F;hour to get started. That&#x27;s <i>way</i> too steep to try something out.
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minimaxirover 9 years ago
I really am not a fan of the hyperminimalistic &quot;we can do anything trust us!&quot; landing pages that <i>every</i> text-for-personal-assistant seems to think is brilliant marketing copy.<p>There are examples of Magic+ <i>requests</i>, but no real-world examples of <i>outcomes</i> and whether the request was filled successfully to the customer&#x27;s satisfaction.<p>Relatedly, the $100&#x2F;hr is suspicious because it&#x27;s impossible to audit the time spent by the assistant. (Contrast with flat fees stated upfront from the normal service.)
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spdustinover 9 years ago
1) How does one become a Magic+ &quot;Magician&quot;?<p>2) Do the Magicians post a surety bond to Magic for liability-related losses? Does Magic have third party fidelity bonds to help defend against suits brought against them due to fraudulent actions by (I assume) contractor Magicians? Disclaiming all liability and hold harmless agreements can be problematic in reality, given the example market of impulse iPad Pro buyers could easily be envisioned to have enough resources to litigate Magic into oblivion.<p>3) Do Magicians undergo any kind of background checking?<p>If I&#x27;m going to trust a service with information otherwise protected by regularly rotated credentials and TFA - and I&#x27;m not beyond doing that, since the pricing for dependable and trustworthy (and bonded&#x2F;insured) assistants for ad-hoc tasks doesn&#x27;t seem too offensive to me - I&#x27;d want to know my risks.<p>I know that doesn&#x27;t make for <i>magical</i> copy on a landing page, but it&#x27;s a selling point. I used the original Magic pretty early on, getting a rather esoteric accessory for some discontinued on-ear studio monitors, and I was impressed by their professionalism. If the pricing goes to the next level, the professionalism needs to follow, in my opinion.
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jcritesover 9 years ago
I use Magic and they provide incredible service. They&#x27;ve been able to accomplish pretty much everything I&#x27;ve asked, including some requests that I thought were borderline outlandish, such as having food from a restaurant across the country sent to me via chilled overnight air mail for a friend&#x27;s birthday as a big flashy surprise (friend&#x27;s favorite restaurant).<p>If you value your time more than your money, then they&#x27;re an excellent service that gives you a new suite of capabilities for making that tradeoff. They have been able to arrange everything I&#x27;ve asked them to do. What I like about them is that I can make a request without having any idea how to go about getting it fulfilled, and Magic will figure out how - they&#x27;ll do the research and find a solution. They are familiar with service providers for all sorts of unusual tasks and will set them up for you: personal chefs, car servicing pickup, garbage pickup - for everything I&#x27;ve asked they&#x27;ve had an answer.<p>They are primarily limited however by their staff on the ground or lack thereof. Although they&#x27;ve been able to organize couriers in several cities to accomplish tasks, they have occasionally been unable to find couriers on the day of a request. Magic is a generalist service: they can do virtually anything, but not necessarily within the same hour you ask. They&#x27;re worse than specialist services like Postmates at tasks like basic food pickup and delivery (mostly due to lower availability of couriers). Magic is most useful when your need is unusual and a typical service won&#x27;t be able to get it done - or when you want a complex problem to be solved and don&#x27;t want to have to think about or manage the solution. At such a task, they excel, and they&#x27;ve always come through for me in the end.<p>The Magic staff are very friendly and personable, as well. Their customer service is a tier above any other company I&#x27;ve interacted with. They handle requests with unusually high intellectual and emotional intelligence, and care. (Disclaimer: I haven&#x27;t used Magic+, only the original Magic which has been surprisingly cheap for the value it adds.)
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exogenover 9 years ago
I haven&#x27;t used the $100&#x2F;hour Magic+, but I&#x27;ve used Magic several times. I ordered sushi when it was first announced and the HN comment about my experience got a lot of interest.<p>Once I used it to order fried chicken from a deli that isn&#x27;t available via any delivery service. That was nice.<p>The coolest thing by far was using it to buy a gift. I follow an embroidery artist on Instagram, and noticed she was doing a pop-up shop in Chicago (I live in Seattle). I directly inquired about commissioning pieces or buying her existing pieces, but it just wasn&#x27;t possible – this pop-up shop was the only way. I showed Magic a few of the pieces I liked best on Instagram, gave them a price limit (no idea even how much they were selling for), and described how there were only a few of these things available and they&#x27;d probably be gone fast. They sent someone there and managed to get one for me and mail it!
pyrrhotechover 9 years ago
Another service for the 1%. This one will go the way of homejoy. These kids don&#x27;t understand how tight the household budget is for nearly all Americans.<p>You can smell the elitism dripping in their examples on the site. Private helicoptors, $31 grocery delivery... most people will pay a little extra for convenience, but this is ridiculous.
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SwellJoeover 9 years ago
I predict a few things for the future of this service (and this kind of service):<p>1. A lot of frustration from customers and a lot of churn. An effective personal assistant, or office manager, or whatever, effectively begins to read the mind of their employer. Lack of face-to-face, and what I imagine will be a lot of assistant churn, will result in very poor &quot;mind reading&quot; abilities. Cost of training a new assistant is much higher than actually having one, at least for folks who utilize their services a lot.<p>2. A race to the bottom on price, exacerbating the problem of assistant churn. $100&#x2F;hr leaves a lot of room at the bottom, but it&#x27;ll drop to the point where people in the US aren&#x27;t willing to do the job of magic assistant.<p>3. $0 is the cost of Siri, Google Now, and Alexa. They truly suck right now, for almost everything except taking the place of a keyboard, but will get better. There&#x27;s a limit to what &quot;virtual&quot; assistants can do for you; at some point you need a meat robot to go physically do stuff for you, if you want assistance beyond what technology can do.<p>Not to trash talk the idea or the company, at all. I haven&#x27;t tried it. I can&#x27;t think of anything it could do for me that I wouldn&#x27;t rather hire an actual assistant for. At $100, you can get several hours of real human time, in your local market. Someone you can meet, and develop a rapport with. I&#x27;m ordinarily not on the side of the fence that insists that the personal touch is important (I don&#x27;t like car dealers and want them to disappear, I don&#x27;t like sales people at any store and generally want them to disappear, etc. because in general, they know less than me about what I&#x27;m shopping for and just serve to annoy me and occasionally lie to me to try to manipulate my decision). But, in this case, there is real value in a real live human having access to your daily life or work so they can be most productive about helping you get shit done.
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bigtunacanover 9 years ago
This sounds a bit like Uber for personal assistants. So for people in the top 1% they can now have 24&#x2F;7 personal assistants at probably about the same cost as they previously paid for a 9 to 5-er.<p>Then a middle man skims most of the profits while all of the personal assistants of the world lose job stability and end up having to work 80 hours a week as &quot;personal contractors&quot; to try and break even with what they previously made in a 40 hour work week.<p>Yeah; I&#x27;m a bit skeptical.
habosaover 9 years ago
“Find someone to train me like Jason Bourne.” “Get me a mobile dentist to my office ASAP.” “I want to meet Tina Fey and Amy Poehler.” “I need to rent out the Exploratorium this weekend.” “I need 6 convertibles tomorrow for rent.” “Organize my team for a town hall tomorrow.” “My 1 pm ran over. Bump my meetings back 1 hour.” “I’m out of the office today. Check my email and let me know if there’s anything urgent.”<p>They&#x27;re going way over the top here to market it to busy douchebags. I thought about using it until I saw who they think I might be.
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dcpdxover 9 years ago
This is like Tesla entering the market with a high end sports car, or Uber entering the market with only black cars. They&#x27;re targeting a smaller niche of wealthy early adopters to tweak the service and revenue model and will eventually move downmarket to address a broader customer base (if they&#x27;re successful with this initial niche). This is an ideal niche to start with because a) they have the money for it b) they&#x27;re more tech savvy and generally forgiving of product shortfalls for bleeding edge services and c) they have lots of connections and can spread word-of-mouth more effectively (think Chris Dixon). It will be interesting to see if this becomes more of an API for other on-demand platforms such as Seamless or if it will be standalone. Also curious to see how this will stack up to Facebook&#x27;s M and if they&#x27;ve built something defensible enough to pose a real threat.
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omarforgotpwdover 9 years ago
Good morning, I read all your email while you slept. Your wife is very pretty. I wrote a message to your son telling him you loved him. He responded &quot;you&#x27;re not my real dad&quot;. I also hired that Visual Basic expert who emailed you yesterday. Don&#x27;t worry, I already charged your AMEX $230 for the trouble.
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dyladanover 9 years ago
I thought this was satire. Came here to see the jokes. None of you seem to be treating it like satire though.
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bredrenover 9 years ago
I&#x27;d love to try this, as there is an out-of-production bag that is probably out there but I could not find this holiday season.<p>People aren&#x27;t mentioning this here, but the real sticker shock is not $100 &#x2F; hour but rather that to get that price you have to be ready to pay $1000 now or sign up for a $3000 a month subscription (that also begins now)<p>The low-key information page doesn&#x27;t really set you up for that level of commitment to check things out.
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xirdstlover 9 years ago
The examples are puzzling to me. Take this one: &quot;I’m out of the office today. Check my email and let me know if there’s anything urgent.&quot;<p>Are they proposing we should be ok with giving them our credentials?
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captaindiegoover 9 years ago
It says it works from anywhere, but then only gives a number that works from within the US. How are you supposed to use this service while in another country and not having access to a US sim card?
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pazimzadehover 9 years ago
Episode 5 of Rick and Morty&#x27;s first season is relevant (the Mister Meeseeks episode).
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kilroy123over 9 years ago
$100 an hour? Fuck that.<p>I&#x27;m currently living abroad and don&#x27;t speak the language very well. So I hired a virtual assistant who speaks the language and English. He charges $7.50 USD an hour. I only pay him for time it takes to complete my tasks. I rarely even pay $100 for the whole month.
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pmichaudover 9 years ago
I&#x27;m deeply skeptical of this. It would be worth $100&#x2F;hr to hand off highly complex task like planning a wedding (from their copy), but it&#x27;s impossible--there is way too much interaction and iteration necessary on tasks like that.<p>For things you can realistically text to have done, the task has be crystal clear, and basically atomic. If I&#x27;ve already done the work of making it crystal clear and atomic, then it&#x27;s not worth $100&#x2F;hr anymore, because it&#x27;s just rote busy work at that point.
hackuserover 9 years ago
I would love to see more comments that provided value to other readers. There is so much expertise and intelligence in this forum, but so many discussions contain only what is easiest: obvious cyncism. It&#x27;s kind of fun banter once in a while, but gets old and isn&#x27;t worth spending the time reading.
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voltagex_over 9 years ago
I said to myself that I&#x27;d start less HN comments this year with &quot;I&#x27;m in a wheelchair and...&quot; but:<p>I&#x27;m in a wheelchair and access to a personal assistant (<i>especially</i> for travel arrangements) would be excellent.<p>Access to a personal assistant in the departure country and the arrival location (to check just how wheelchair accessible that Days Inn wheelchair-accessible suite really is) would be phenomenal.<p>There&#x27;s a business idea there, just that the market is small and difficult to cater for (lots and lots of different needs)<p>I&#x27;m one of the lucky ones and I&#x27;m relatively well off, but 100&#x2F;hour (~$140AUD&#x2F;hour) is way, way out of my price range.
stephenc_c_over 9 years ago
So this is just Amex Plat&#x2F;Centurion concierge for people who prefer to text than call?
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negamaxover 9 years ago
If you can establish a business around this, that would be great. But personal assistants are more than just money and skills. There&#x27;s lots of trust involved created over the years. I think people would be more comfortable if this was completely AIed (may be it can be promoted as that in a sly way) as compared to sending task requests to unknown (although trained) people. But that&#x27;s just me. I really do think that this is bad example of technology. But looking at the examples, it may just be the thing nouveau riche are looking for.
Aoyagiover 9 years ago
&gt;SHARING OF YOUR INFORMATION<p>&gt;We may share your personal information with:<p>&gt;Third-party vendors and other service providers that perform services on our behalf, as needed to carry out their work for us, which <i>may include identifying and serving targeted advertisements</i>(...)<p>&gt;Other companies whose products or services may be of interest to you<p>...<p>That sounds pretty bad even if it wasn&#x27;t so vague. This is a bloody premium service...
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OliverJonesover 9 years ago
Sorry for the snark, but...<p>How about a service that answers texts like, &quot;where can I find a warm place to stay tonight?&quot; or &quot;please get the welfare department to correct their mistake and reactivate my food stamps.&quot;
bambaxover 9 years ago
&gt; <i>Get you reservations at places that nobody else can</i><p>How is this possible? If it were true then anyone wanting a reservation at &quot;places that nobody else can&quot; would go through Magic+, and then what? There are more rich people than available seats at hot restaurants...?
omarishover 9 years ago
Based on everything I learned about this space from starting, operating, and later selling a company that does exactly this in the summer of 2014 [1] [2], I&#x27;m bullish on this idea. I think it&#x27;s definitely a step in the right direction and incentives are starting to line up.<p>The &quot;I&#x27;ll do anything for you by SMS&quot; space (I call it the &quot;Houdini app&quot; space) space affords the middle-to-upper class in first world countries (where labor is much more expensive) the same power you&#x27;d get if you were in a country where labor is much cheaper.<p>Example: in Lebanon, where I grew up, the middle-to-upper class of the population has: a stay-at-home maid ($200&#x2F;mo), a driver ($300&#x2F;mo), and a concierge at the bottom of their building ($30&#x2F;mo), who will take care of pretty much anything for you. This is possible because labor is so cheap. I&#x27;d say you have to be in the 0.1% in the US to be able to afford this (since labor would cost you much more), but in third world countries, it&#x27;s within reach of probably the top 15% of the population (by income).<p>I think the most successful concierges have a &quot;fixer&quot; mindset - you give them a very loosely defined need, and their job is 1) coordinating and finding a solution, and 2) actually following through and executing on it. The fixer&#x27;s advantage is 1) the end user trusts them, trusts their taste, and there is a pre-existing relationship with the customer, and 2) the user has a general idea of what they can and cannot do.<p>The real value Magic brings is that they can be the fixer for your day-to-day life. If I were Magic, I&#x27;d change the pricing to $200&#x2F;hour, but only charged if the task is actually completed. That way, the incentives really line up in that 1) they&#x27;re more incentivized to complete the task successfully, 2) users trust them a lot more and know that they will get their money&#x27;s worth, and 3) they develop the &quot;fixer&quot; brand, where Magic gets you what you want, and you only have to pay if it gets done.<p>Lots of important technologies start off as &quot;toys for the rich&quot; - I could see that happening here too. What I am curious to see, is how they plan on bringing the cost of the service down. Or if it&#x27;s possible to get a big enough market share at this price point.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8094351" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8094351</a><p>[2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;nymag.com&#x2F;daily&#x2F;intelligencer&#x2F;2014&#x2F;08&#x2F;my-disruptive-deputy.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;nymag.com&#x2F;daily&#x2F;intelligencer&#x2F;2014&#x2F;08&#x2F;my-disruptive-d...</a>
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arihantover 9 years ago
The $100&#x2F;hr price point would make if and only if they are able to accomplish tasks that cannot be accomplished by a single hired assistant.<p>&quot;Personally email all my 1,200 new customers today, get me feedback in 2 hours.&quot;<p>&quot;Make sure this story hits top page on Reddit&#x2F;HN.&quot;<p>These are probably weird examples. But the expectation here would be to get a superhuman, who does task a random human simply cannot do. Group work is what I expect I&#x27;m paying for. Otherwise, I can hire a freelancer online for $1000 a month.
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JackFrover 9 years ago
I think it speaks to the whole PG inequality essay. This is clearly a catalyst for a more natural equilibrium. It seems to me the main service provided by Magic+ is liberating money from those who have more than they know what to do with.
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biotover 9 years ago
Show HN: I asked Magic+ to build me a Magic+ clone (getyourmagic.io)<p>With their promise of &quot;Anything you want. Seriously.&quot; how long before we see that? :)
pbreitover 9 years ago
$100 an hour sounds expensive. $1&#x2F;minute might be a better published price. And also suggest that it&#x27;s priced in minute increments.
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Rauchgover 9 years ago
I use Magic occasionally and it&#x27;s been wonderful every time. It&#x27;s definitely not something I would use everyday, but it&#x27;s been great for: - a time I needed a replacement power supply cable, and really didn&#x27;t have the time to research where to get it, and needed it urgently. - a couple times where I needed a dinner reservation for relatives or friends visiting - quick questions about things to do or places to go<p>I definitely recommend the basic version!
relaxatoriumover 9 years ago
The example they&#x27;re trying to use to show you that prices <i>aren&#x27;t</i> crazy quotes a $30+ surcharge for having groceries delivered.
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verytrivialover 9 years ago
[ Hi, Magic+. I need a bunch of highly rated comments on a Hacker News story. ]<p><pre><code> [ No problem. ]</code></pre>
snydlyover 9 years ago
So wait... did I miss the part about what happens if they fail to do what I ask? What happens then?<p>&quot;Finish my dissertation. Thanks.&quot;
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slmyersover 9 years ago
The landing page seems like a joke or a scam. I was honestly confused as to whether this was a legitimate service.
jaksmitover 9 years ago
I tweeted about this last week and was surprised no one else noticed sooner: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;l.facebook.com&#x2F;l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2F_jacksmith%2Fstatus%2F682749923410874368&amp;h=5AQHmARzS" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;l.facebook.com&#x2F;l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2F_...</a><p>their roll out of this pivot has been a disaster:<p>1) Last week the homepage was saying it was free: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dropbox.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;6v7ctgeakcya1wi&#x2F;1.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dropbox.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;6v7ctgeakcya1wi&#x2F;1.png?dl=0</a> but when you signed up it asked you to pay $100&#x2F;hr or $3000 a month<p>2) Then yesterday they updated the homepage to say it was a paid ONLY service: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dropbox.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;t01zei3j9k6e99f&#x2F;2.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dropbox.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;t01zei3j9k6e99f&#x2F;2.png?dl=0</a><p>3) Now today they&#x27;ve updated the homepage wording to say it&#x27;s free OR paid: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dropbox.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;5qlrt6vfzsigda0&#x2F;3.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dropbox.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;5qlrt6vfzsigda0&#x2F;3.png?dl=0</a><p>Venturebeat did a post on the pivot: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;venturebeat.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;01&#x2F;04&#x2F;magic-to-start-charging-100-an-hour-for-sms-based-delivery-service-that-was-previously-free&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;venturebeat.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;01&#x2F;04&#x2F;magic-to-start-charging-10...</a>
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Pitarouover 9 years ago
If I understand correctly, all it takes is a few text messages from your client for you to incur huge bills on their behalf.<p>I presume you&#x27;re aware that text messages are easy to fake. (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;SMS_spoofing" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;SMS_spoofing</a>) What controls do you have in place to prevent fraud?
hackuserover 9 years ago
I&#x27;d love to know how they manage to scale such high quality service. They say they use &quot;top-tier executive assistants and concierges&quot;, but it&#x27;s hard to scale high-quality employees.<p>How does it differ from other concierge services, such as the one connected to American Express cards? What have others typically done well and poorly, and how does Magic+ overcome the limitations?
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ageofwantover 9 years ago
I&#x27;m wondering if this trend to pay for limited use, or &quot;human micro-services&quot; is good for society. Soon I&#x27;ll have to bid for work as a developer and will have no idea if I&#x27;ll be able to eat today or sleep under a roof. God help me if I&#x27;m sick.<p>Progress and efficiency is great, but I wonder if we (you and I, common devs) are digging our own graves.
HorizonXPover 9 years ago
So I haven&#x27;t used Magic in a while. I&#x27;ll probably start using it again now.<p>Last time, I used it as follows:<p>1) Lunch for my cofounder and I at demo day since we had dietary restrictions. Worked perfectly.<p>2) went drinking with everyone after demo day, and we drove. Didn&#x27;t plan out who was DD. Magic sent us a driver to drive us home in our car. Was one of the Magic founders&#x27; sister.<p>3) Had flowers sent to my wife, just to let her know I was thinking of her while I was away. Said they were the best flowers she had ever got, and got lots of compliments from family and friends.<p>Yesterday, I was just thinking about using Magic to get a bunch of things done, housekeeping wise within the company. Really timely to see this. I&#x27;ll be using them for everything from fixing my glasses, to cleaning up my books, and more. I&#x27;m hoping to have them take care of the mundane things so I can focus on more important tasks like coding and such.
S4Mover 9 years ago
&gt; Q: What about the purchases that I make through Magic+?<p>&gt; There is no markup on the purchases you make through Magic+. We find you the best deals that we can on every purchase, and we negotiate strongly with vendors. Often you will save more money using Magic+ than if you had done things yourself.<p>... I see a conflict of interest there.
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1812Overtureover 9 years ago
&quot;Magic+! I need the schematics of this building sent to my phone. And hack a satellite with infrared imaging so I can see where the terrorists are.&quot; - Jack Bauer
w1ntermuteover 9 years ago
Isn&#x27;t this just an overpriced Zirtual?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zirtual.com&#x2F;plans-pricing" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zirtual.com&#x2F;plans-pricing</a>
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bambaxover 9 years ago
&gt; <i>Where is Magic+ available? Anywhere you need it. Magic+ is there to make your every desire and need happen, wherever you are.</i><p>Can I use it from a non-US phone carrier? How do I pay? Would be really interested in testing it. Is there a direct&#x2F;non-short number?
davecraigeover 9 years ago
A few thoughts and questions<p>1. This is fascinating to watch<p>2. How is Magic going to compete with Facebook M and www.GoButler.com? Butler does all the things Magic does but for free. And Facebook M is being rolled out to more and more people.<p>3. Is there space for a premium concierge assistant that gives even better service than Butler or M can do? What prevents Butler or M from simply rolling out a premium $25&#x2F;hour service and undercutting Magic if this segment proves valuable.<p>4. Isn&#x27;t the real money in massive scale. Will Magic simply be a small concierge shop for the very wealthy and will we all use Facebook M for most tasks in the future?
eka808over 9 years ago
And how can we guarantee that people behind magic+ don&#x27;t get any conflict of interest ?<p>Let say, for example, that i need a cab to move me from airport to the hotel with a bike to make the thing more complicated for a lambda traveler. How can I know in advance how much I will have to pay ? that the deal is decent ? that the guy will actually come ?<p>I understand that they target rich people but I imagine one does not simply want to pay 200% more than usually a helicopter ride...
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cballardover 9 years ago
Is this a parody?
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rodionosover 9 years ago
Some of the comments posted here make me wonder about how broad and diverse the HN reader base is. The demographics are just unbelievable, if not surprising.
cyrillevinceyover 9 years ago
We&#x27;ve been seeing personal concierge remote services pop up (and usually die) every year for the past 15y. What&#x27;s new here?
mastaziover 9 years ago
Are you guys able to read comfortably those tiny SMS screenshots? I was hoping I could click and zoom but nope...
ejhongover 9 years ago
Are you going to support bitcoin for Magic+? Currently looks like you need a credit card to register.
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lancewiggsover 9 years ago
$100 per hour, or $800 per day or $160k&#x2F;year at 200 working days after holidays and weekends. That&#x27;s arguably close to what the wealthy people who this is currently targeted at should pay a great assistant anyway.<p>So I challenge the amount of money Magic needs to pay the very best assistants, not the price to the customers. And while the automation will increase the amount of time spent on the job by each assistant delivering outcomes, it&#x27;s a very exhausting day for them to deliver this sort of level of service non stop.<p>Over time the automation will increase the margins, but for now the best assistants will be setting themselves up to be poached by the best clients.
dinkumthinkumover 9 years ago
It seems like an interesting way to fiendishly separate foolish people from their money.
option_greekover 9 years ago
There is so much on envy (masked as cynicism) in the comment section that we might as well paint the HN banner green today.<p>PS: Before you downvote me to death, want to clarify that the envy is that someone can use this service paying 100&#x2F;hr :)
jimmytucsonover 9 years ago
What are the most significant improvements to this service since it launched on HN almost a year ago?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9087819" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9087819</a>
kriroover 9 years ago
I&#x27;d be interested in seeing what failed requests look like. Can&#x27;t really promise to solve everything so I&#x27;d like to know what mitigation strategies etc. are used when no acceptable solution can be found.
billiamover 9 years ago
Looks to me like someone read this undergraduate econ lesson from earlier today:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10839116" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10839116</a>
kdamkenover 9 years ago
The service is $100 an hour, which is bananas, but I guess that&#x27;s not too surprising when their target customer is someone who casually buys two iPad pros like a normal person buys packs of gum.
patkaiover 9 years ago
Interesting discussion, but I would postulate that people on HN are typically the ones who wouldn&#x27;t appreciate - or even understand - such a service. Also, if you are fixated on the details, e.g. &quot;do I need this to reserve a flight today&quot; then you will certainly not get it. You could alternatively think about the big picture, i.e. removing all the limitations and bottlenecks of a personal assistant, and also scaling it up.
petkeover 9 years ago
I thought this was about <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.imagemagick.org&#x2F;Magick++&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.imagemagick.org&#x2F;Magick++&#x2F;</a>
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gbersacover 9 years ago
What if I ask magic+ to find me a competitor as effective as magic+ but for free (or lower price) ? Or to offer me free services ? Haha, I caught you !!!
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smegelover 9 years ago
Out of my world, but I could see why the super-rich might like something like this. But I guess they have their own personal assistants for this stuff anyway.
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gcrover 9 years ago
&quot;I need the following hash reversed: abcd....&quot;
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hysanover 9 years ago
&gt; Q: How quickly will I get what I want after requesting it?<p>&gt; As soon as possible.<p>So... it&#x27;s not magic.<p>At their price point, it&#x27;s only worth using the service if you have huge amounts of disposable income or your request is near impossible to fulfill on your own. It&#x27;s basically a service that answers the question, &quot;How much are you willing to spend to do X?&quot; Where the amount is determined by them after the fact.
tedmistonover 9 years ago
&gt; Q: How much does it cost?<p>&gt; It’s $100&#x2F;hr to use Magic+. You only get charged for the minutes you use it for. If your request takes 12 minutes, you’ll only be charged for 12 minutes.<p>This could be affordable in small does depending how much time a human is allocated to do the task. I wonder if it&#x27;s possible to know the estimate before you commit to buying.
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ommunistover 9 years ago
Isn&#x27;t it dangerous to entrust the whole pattern of your habits and spending to anonymous organisation?
eruannonover 9 years ago
Wow, these guys are desperate for a pivot after getting torpedoed by Facebook M, huh?
lectrickover 9 years ago
For what it&#x27;s worth, I&#x27;ve used the service twice and it worked out great. People tend to complain more than praise (there must be some psychological concept to explain this...), so that&#x27;s my two cents.
uhtredover 9 years ago
This crap makes my socialist leaning side come out. Another unnecessary service that no-one needs, yet people with too much money will probably use. Where&#x27;s Karl Pilkington&#x27;s Bullshit Man when you need him.
morgangiraudover 9 years ago
What if i ask magic+ to ask magic+ for a time consuming task. Since i&#x27;m not asking magic+ myself anymore, should i pay anything apart the 2 minutes it took to ask magic+ from the inside?
whalesaladover 9 years ago
The examples are a little outlandish. Maybe some more realistic ones?
gowthamgts12over 9 years ago
I&#x27;m having a negative feeling about HackerNews now.
jayzalowitzover 9 years ago
I recently thought of a better way to do this with a quasi supervised ML approach... I think this pricepoint is finally a good reason to do so.
Animatsover 9 years ago
This, of course, comes from Heinlein&#x27;s &quot;We Also Walk Dogs&quot;. Does Magic+ have anyone as good as Grace Cormet?
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roarkjsover 9 years ago
Hey magic, can we get a UK version of magic?
archimedespiover 9 years ago
Really, really freaky. Especially all the copy about how <i>&quot;you can trust us&quot;</i>.
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mbparsaover 9 years ago
Can magic get me a permit to stay in the state? a green card?
free2rhyme214over 9 years ago
Why Magic+ instead of Operator?
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sauereover 9 years ago
What is it with all the comments about the service being for &quot;elitist&quot; or the &quot;1%&quot;?<p>People are paying for a convenient service - nothing special about it. Some pay the neighbors kid $20 to mow the lawn, others pay Magic $100 to get something done that would otherwise be a hassle for them. Same shit.
aresantover 9 years ago
First, did anybody else miss that what&#x27;s linked here is the &quot;+&quot; version, at $100&#x2F;hr?<p>The original &quot;pay per use&quot; service is still offered at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;getmagicnow.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;getmagicnow.com&#x2F;</a>
mdevereover 9 years ago
This honestly looks awesome and easily worth the money.
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allisonburtchover 9 years ago
magic*, exploiting labor so you don&#x27;t have to!
irascibleover 9 years ago
Seeing this makes me feel ashamed to be a part of the tech industry. This is why people despise the 1%. Show some taste&#x2F;humility&#x2F;discretion. A &quot;service&quot; like this is so narrowly focused on the ultra rich, that it should be marketing in high end magazines&#x2F;direct outreach.. not on hacker news.
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PaulHouleover 9 years ago
It reminds me of the old Heinlein story &quot;We also walk dogs.&quot;<p>The $100&#x2F;hr rate bugs me a little. Some people&#x27;s time is worth more than that and other is less.
rbnacharyaover 9 years ago
This was what I had in my head 10 hrs ago.
mizzaoover 9 years ago
Magic+ isn&#x27;t going to be able to satisfy <i>all</i> of the copycat requests to meet Tina Fey and Amy Poehler...
pavanlimoover 9 years ago
The fact that &quot;tech&quot; behind this is totally transparent is its strength and not a weakness.
soaredover 9 years ago
Based on their web design I doubt their ability to complete any simple task.
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aestetixover 9 years ago
&quot;Magic, here is a list of social security numbers for people I do not like. Can you share them with scam artists?&quot;<p>&quot;Magic, can you get me HIV test results for my wife?&quot;<p>&quot;Magic, what is my boss&#x27;s salary?&quot;<p>Yeah, no issues coming up with this...
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such_a_casualover 9 years ago
&gt; Our unique combination of humans and software<p>Oh god, I can&#x27;t stop laughing.
voynich61over 9 years ago
FUCK CAPITALISM GODDAMN
knownover 9 years ago
Sounds interesting.
sergiotapiaover 9 years ago
This sounds utterly insane, yet so amazing.<p>“Find someone to train me like Jason Bourne.” Hahaha.
shaftwayover 9 years ago
Really tempted to make an account just to request some inane stuff.