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This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

277 pointsby kostas_echartaover 9 years ago

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starquakeover 9 years ago
Unfortunately this is not true:<p>&quot;Beginning January 12, 2016, only the most current version of Internet Explorer available for a supported operating system will receive technical supports and security updates.&quot;<p>The latest Internet Explorer version that runs on Windows Vista is Internet Explorer 9. So there will still be users using that... Windows Vista will have security updates till 2020.
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oliwarnerover 9 years ago
Oh poor, deluded TNW. Software only dies in the way developers care about when users stop using it.<p>Well beside its actual expiry (which seems to be 2020), people STILL use XP with an ancient versions of IE6 and IE7. Many Vista users stick on IE7.<p>So calm yourself and put flexbox back down. You&#x27;ve got a few years before that&#x27;s supported enough.
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flohofwoeover 9 years ago
Very funny, End of Life for a popular product just means <i>more</i> trouble for 3rd-party-devs since they need to continue supporting the product as long as a significant chunk of their users don&#x27;t feel like upgrading, but with support for the required SDKs cut off. Case in point: WindowsXP&#x27;s End of Life was 2 years ago, but between 25% and 35% of (mostly casual) gamers still run it worldwide (this is heavily skewed by XP installations in China): <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hwstats.unity3d.com&#x2F;web&#x2F;os-win.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hwstats.unity3d.com&#x2F;web&#x2F;os-win.html</a>, <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hwstats.unity3d.com&#x2F;pc&#x2F;os.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hwstats.unity3d.com&#x2F;pc&#x2F;os.html</a>.
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userbinatorover 9 years ago
Given that IE may be the only widely-used browser that restrains web developers from going completely gung-ho with the fancy new stuff and creating even more sites that are just plain user-hostile and annoying (e.g. see the rise of superfluous SPAs and&#x2F;or massive amounts of JS required to load simple static content, replacing sites that worked fine without), I fear that this will make casual browsing a worse experience even for those not using IE...<p>It&#x27;s not the new sites which are already fancy webapps, the ones doing new things that would be nearly impossible in older browsers and require the very latest browser versions that I&#x27;m concerned about; it&#x27;s the sites that cater to a mass audience like news, webmail, search engines ( <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8254743" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8254743</a> ), and other valuable repositories of information which are most at risk of being &quot;appified&quot; and making the Internet less accessible overall.<p>Related article: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quirksmode.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2015&#x2F;07&#x2F;stop_pushing_th.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quirksmode.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2015&#x2F;07&#x2F;stop_pushing...</a><p>...and discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9961613" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9961613</a>
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arsover 9 years ago
I don&#x27;t understand why Microsoft divides its browsers this way.<p>They seem to be the only one that actually has versions, and [security] updates <i>within</i> a version.<p>Instead just have a single browser (instead of 5 or more counting from IE6) and any update increments the version. Both Firefox and Chrome work this way.<p>They would have to allow installing the latest version of IE on any machine all the way back to XP, but there is no reason they can&#x27;t do that. They just don&#x27;t want to.<p>I know they hope people will upgrade the Windows version - but has that <i>ever</i> happened? Has someone ever upgraded Windows just to get a new <i>browser</i>? I highly doubt it, that&#x27;s not why people upgrade the OS.<p>So just give it up, let any version of IE run on any version of Windows and stop making developers (and users) crazy.
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al2o3crover 9 years ago
I really don&#x27;t get the concept of people being &quot;stuck on XP&quot;: Vista shipped in 2007, so if your company wrote software after that that was locked to XP they made a mistake - one they&#x27;ve had EIGHT YEARS to fix. Everything except the most expensive, vertical-market hardware (that might require XP for driver support) has nigh-certainly already been depreciated to zero on the books.
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pjmlpover 9 years ago
No fear, Webkit has replaced IE, with each device using its own version of it.
saurikover 9 years ago
I feel like users in China will be more likely to install a &quot;don&#x27;t nag me about upgrading&quot; counter-patch than actually upgrade to a newer version of Internet Explorer.
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erik14thover 9 years ago
Aren&#x27;t old android browsers more of a problem nowadays?
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hitekkerover 9 years ago
I have a fun story.<p>IE10 and below have two modes. &quot;Browser&quot; mode, which means the IE10, IE9, IE8, IE7 rendering engines. &quot;Document&quot; mode which means the engine treating the page like it was meant for IE9, IE8, IE7 etc. Or so it says.<p>Confused? Take a look at this chart:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i-msdn.sec.s-msft.com&#x2F;dynimg&#x2F;IC780294.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i-msdn.sec.s-msft.com&#x2F;dynimg&#x2F;IC780294.jpg</a><p>More confused? So was and am I. I don&#x27;t fully understand document mode and I suspect Microsoft doesn&#x27;t either. Likely the reason they deprecated the moment Windows 10 came out[1]<p>So what&#x27;s the problem? Well, even though a web page would render fine in IE9, IE9 could look at it, take issue with your markup, and then, surprise! Your user sees it like it&#x27;s IE7... using the IE9 rendering engine.<p>For most web developers that needed to support IE, you basically always needed to insert a &lt;meta&gt; tag with a value of X-UA-Compatible in the &lt;head&gt; of your page. It forces the latest document mode, i.e., &quot;treat this page like a modern page and render it without being stupid.&quot; 99% of the time this is what you want. 1% of the time (the need for document mode) is when a page was so reliant on older browser quirks that it needs to be treated as an IE7 page.<p>Cool, that&#x27;s all we need right?<p>Enter oracle.com. In all versions of IE9, there is a hidden, built in compatibility mapping which will always force a certain document mode[2]. So even if your little page brings with it a valid meta tag and uses completely valid markup, IE9 will take look at its name on its blacklist, smile, pat your page on the head, and then shove it the trash compactor.<p>Smash. So IE9 forces a terrible document mode upon all pages on oracle.com and several other domains mode and Microsoft, to this days, says just about nothing about the hidden blacklist in their documentation. The only way I found this out was by searching &quot;oracle.com&quot; in all of IE9&#x27;s source code, whereupon I found the responsible XML file, the blacklist.<p>So what&#x27;s the solution?<p>Well, after some hair loss, I discovered the solution is to bring the X-UA-Compatible OUTSIDE of the &lt;head&gt; tag and put it right above the HTML one. In complete contrivance to everything Microsoft said in its documentation, and also normal browser logic.<p>... That, kids, is why IE9 and below needs to die.<p>[1]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;msdn.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;library&#x2F;dn384051(v=vs.85).aspx" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;msdn.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;library&#x2F;dn384051(v=vs.85).a...</a>
frikover 9 years ago
IE9 support is already in a sad state. Many new websites already look in IE9 as bad as in IE6.<p>Chrome should spawns less processes (hold some more tabs in one process). IE spawns less processes than Chrome and therefor is less of a memory hog.<p>Firefox finally needs a proper multi-process implementation. Even the latest Developer edition just uses two processes (firefox.exe and plugin-container.exe) - I just tried it again with a new profile. Good luck keeping 100 tabs open (with &quot;open&quot; I mean &quot;in memory&quot;). If one tab crashes... you switch back to IE&#x2F;Chrome. In the current state Firefox is great for development, but not for my daily web usage.
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rrss1122over 9 years ago
It will be a while still before you can actually party. As long as a measurable percentage of your users are still on these browsers, you&#x27;re missing out on money of you don&#x27;t support them.
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nooberminover 9 years ago
Does this mean jquery will lose a significant part of its utility?
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szastupovover 9 years ago
Obligatory comment about Safari being the new IE.
OSButlerover 9 years ago
Those companies that have kept running outdated IE versions will most likely still ignore upgrading. I&#x27;ve had a client upgrade their IE6 machines to IE8 just a few months ago. Even their own employees were frustrated with the old equipment, but there was nothing they could do until their IT dept. finally provided the upgrade for them.
andyhnjover 9 years ago
Oh, this must be why the company I work for is <i>finally</i> pushing out IE11. (I upgraded my own machine a long time ago, but many people here are still on IE8.)
DrScumpover 9 years ago
How does an article like this, with such a blatantly false clickbaity title, <i>not</i> get flagged into oblivion rather than getting 270+ upvotes?
the_watcherover 9 years ago
I get that this is good news in that it should reduce the number of users running them, but this doesn&#x27;t remove them from machines running them.
fiboover 9 years ago
The big issue with IE&lt;11 is that they are not happybrowsers, i.e. with automatic updates. Thanks God, the world evolves and things get better.
niuzetaover 9 years ago
Their obituaries have been posted and celebrated so many times that I feel we&#x27;re all secretly enjoying IE, with some sort of guilty pleasure.
J_Darnleyover 9 years ago
If you were writing HTML documents would it really matter which browsers people were using?
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yehosefover 9 years ago
&quot;I see dead browsers&quot;
whoopdedoover 9 years ago
Does Edge have Java yet? No? Then IE isn&#x27;t going anywhere.
TwoBitover 9 years ago
I have no idea how confident I should be in Edge&#x27;s security. Microsoft just doesn&#x27;t have a great history there.
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cmurfover 9 years ago
I think it should have a built in kill switch. It knows it&#x27;s own EOL date, and just wouldn&#x27;t work after that.
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