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Read the TPP

249 pointsby SimplyUselessover 9 years ago

10 comments

tptacekover 9 years ago
I opened this page up, skipped forward to the first highlighted section (18. Intellectual Property), and skimmed to the first annotation. The original text:<p><i>1. A Party may, in formulating or amending its laws and regulations, adopt measures necessary to protect public health and nutrition, and to promote the public interest in sectors of vital importance to their socio-economic and technological development, provided that such measures are consistent with the provisions of this Chapter.</i><p>The annotation:<p><i>In other words, the TPP overrides any domestic laws protecting public health and nutrition, or socio-economic development.</i><p>That&#x27;s not at all how the TPP works. The treaty doesn&#x27;t allow foreign governments to &quot;override&quot; local laws, but rather allows for damage claims against the governments themselves if they enact and enforce laws contrary to the agreements in the TPP itself.<p>I&#x27;d really like the TPP annotated by legal experts. Instead, it&#x27;s annotated by the CTO of Fight For The Future. I&#x27;m not sure that&#x27;s a win.
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walterbellover 9 years ago
Citizen&#x27;s Trade organized 1,500 groups to sign a letter to the US Congress, against the TPP, <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.citizenstrade.org&#x2F;ctc&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2016&#x2F;01&#x2F;07&#x2F;1500-groups-urge-congress-to-oppose-the-tpp&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.citizenstrade.org&#x2F;ctc&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2016&#x2F;01&#x2F;07&#x2F;1500-groups...</a><p><i>&quot;... the TPP elevates investor rights over human rights and democracy, threatening an even broader array of public policy decisions than described above. This, unfortunately, is the all-too-predictable result of a secretive negotiating process in which hundreds of corporate advisors had privileged access to negotiating texts, while the public was barred from even reviewing what was being proposed in its name.<p>The TPP does not deserve your support. Had Fast Track not become law, Congress could work to remove the misguided and detrimental provisions of the TPP, strengthen weak ones and add new provisions designed to ensure that our most vulnerable families and communities do not bear the brunt of the TPP’s many risks. Now that Fast Track authority is in place for it, Congress is left with no means of adequately amending the agreement without rejecting it entirely. We respectfully ask that you do just that.&quot;</i>
johnmaguire2013over 9 years ago
This seems like a perfect proof of concept for genius.com if they&#x27;re serious about becoming a way to annotate anything (not just songs).<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;genius.com&#x2F;web-annotator" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;genius.com&#x2F;web-annotator</a>
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jarizover 9 years ago
This is great and all and is something that should absolutely be shared, however, if the intent behind this project is to share it with &#x27;the average&#x27; person it&#x27;s completely useless. No one&#x27;s going to read through that entire thing, I&#x27;d expect them to at least put up a summarized version.
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shmerlover 9 years ago
There really should be a stronger push to scrap this undemocratic monstrosity.
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dpwebover 9 years ago
<i>Read the TPP</i>.. Skipped right to the HN comments about the TPP.
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lindxover 9 years ago
This is what happens when you try to visit this site with Tor: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;anonm.gr&#x2F;up&#x2F;b386.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;anonm.gr&#x2F;up&#x2F;b386.png</a><p>Cloudflare&#x27;s captchas are nearly impossible to solve, which means that Tor users are effectively blocked from seeing the site. Would you consider using something other than Cloudflare to host the site?
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pluckytreeover 9 years ago
I think the positive benefit of this effort will likely be undermined (and it’s already underway) by reactionary comments from uninformed people. They&#x27;ll play well to people that already know the TPP sucks, but not from those on the fence or really wanting to learn about it.
krickover 9 years ago
A brief question: should I know what this is if I&#x27;m not an USA citizen?
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jsprogrammerover 9 years ago
It is ridiculous that after months of Obama telling people to &quot;just read it&quot;, he dumped the agreement as ~268 separate PDFs.<p>No body has time for that. It&#x27;s nice that they have pared this down to 31 different sections, but my guess is that they are not showing the full agreement here.<p>It would be much nicer if someone just dumped it all into a single PDF and HTML file.<p>Edit: Care to leave a comment rationalizing your downmods?
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