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United Airlines' Quest to Be Less Awful

36 pointsby dsiddharthover 9 years ago

15 comments

zyxleyover 9 years ago
Airlines taking away free snacks for customers feels like companies taking away free snacks for employees: it doesn't really matter much by itself for anyone involved, but it's an obvious signal that the management involved can't bother to even put a fig leaf on the matter of your personal comfort.
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martinaldover 9 years ago
What I can&#x27;t understand is why United (and tbh most airlines) put such ludicriously short connection times in going from international to domestic in the US.<p>I&#x27;ve literally had them quote a 42 min connection at me getting from IAD international to domestic. This is literally impossible unless the flight was very significantly early&#x2F;they put me on Concorde by mistake. I phoned up when I noticed and asked to change flight. Nope, some huge change fee + additional difference in airfare due.<p>Gave up and sure enough I missed the flight. They just stuck me on the next one anyway, but probably lost the revenue for the flight I was meant to be on. This has happend multiple times (I&#x27;ve it take as much as 4 hours at EWR to go through immigration -&gt; go through TSA-&gt; get bag -&gt; recheck bag -&gt; go through TSA -&gt; board plane.<p>It must cost them <i>millions</i> of dollars. And as far as I can see there is no option on the scheduling system to say I want a longer layover. Not crazy long, just some room to breathe. Annoying.
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dnauticsover 9 years ago
It&#x27;s a whole lot of little things. On one flight, there wasn&#x27;t enough space for my carry-on, so they told me to check it. I assumed they had meant &quot;gate check&quot;, because that&#x27;s what other airlines I fly do, but instead it got routed to the carousel, and because my next flight was on a different airline, there was no way to route it to my final destination; I had to leave the security area and <i>come back in</i> to continue. Thankfully security was light and I didn&#x27;t miss my flight. The least they could have done was to check to make sure I understood what this entailed, and worked to find a solution.
geff82over 9 years ago
I think not providing meals&#x2F;refreshments on any flight longer than 30min is just wrong. Why? Of course on could argue that if you &quot;pay less you get less&quot; or that meals are not needed on short flights. But the true story is that often times, the actual time in flight is not the only time you wait. You stand in line at the TSA, you run through giant gangways, you are sitting in a plane that gets late an hour or more. Which all means: by the time you finally are in the air, many people need some rest and energy. Not providing at least some food&#x2F;drinks for free thus is absolutely unacceptable to me.<p>Recently flew Frankfurt=&gt;Detroit=&gt;Dallas (2 flights). I was lucky they provided 2 meals on the long first flight, as on the second leg they only gave a coke. Including the waiting time and the time after the last meal on board, we had 5 hours without food.
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taurathover 9 years ago
Flight experiences are really just anecdotal if you&#x27;re talking about the same &quot;class&quot; of flight. I know people who fly regularly and are perfectly fine with Delta while they&#x27;d never fly American. At the same time, its always felt like the &quot;national&quot; domestic airlines have had very poor service - I liken it to GM and Chrysler vehicles.
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rcontiover 9 years ago
I think the airlines have had a bit of a race to the bottom in a few ways:<p>* Fees. Charge baggage fees, everyone else does the same, nobody&#x27;s any better off. Boarding is slower and passengers crankier. I was HAPPY to not have to tote my bag around every single layover until they started charging for bags, now I&#x27;m another unhappy customer lugging a bag everywhere, walking up and down the aisles looking for space, having my bag gate-checked (and inevitably lost -- gate checking is the least reliable way of actually getting your bag to its destination, it seems).<p>* Chasing &quot;frequent flier&quot; business travelers. I don&#x27;t have the numbers to back this up, but most of them already seem loyal to their chosen airline to funnel their corporate dollars to, because they&#x27;ve got so many damn miles accrued. But airlines trip all over themselves to throw free shit at the 1% of frequent fliers that they piss off the 99% of occasional travelers. Yes, the frequent flier dollars are very important, but now we have a (very) long tail of less-frequent travelers who can be <i>guaranteed</i> that they will never, ever, ever be offered a free upgrade. You won&#x27;t even get an emergency exit row (see: fees). I hate to sound entitled, but on my honeymoon, I was hoping that, for once, I might get a courtesy upgrade. Nope. I&#x27;d wager that if every airline set aside 2 slightly-better seats for a <i>random</i> upgrade, they&#x27;d get a lot of good word-of-mouth from the average joe like myself. But instead they waste every single bit of effort on the jaded business traveler whose opinion won&#x27;t be swayed that much by small favors, because all of the airlines are throwing free stuff at them all the time anyway.<p>* Space, obviously. I continue to insist there&#x27;s a market to pay 50% more for just a LITTLE bit more space. I don&#x27;t mean economy plus; I&#x27;m not tall, I&#x27;m just an average-sized male. I just want my own goddamned armrest. I don&#x27;t know why the airlines can&#x27;t get this right. Business class 2x2 seating on a narrowbody would &#x27;only&#x27; cost them 33% of seat capacity. 2x3 would even be acceptable, with an offset aisle. On a widebody, even just taking out ONE coach seat would make enough space to give passengers a meaningful upgrade. add a couple more inches of legroom to make it easier to get in and out, and bam, you have my loyalty for life. I&#x27;m happy to pay for a little comfort. I just won&#x27;t pay 5x as much for business class. It&#x27;s simply not in a normal human being&#x27;s price bracket. I don&#x27;t have to pay $100k to get a car that&#x27;s a bit nicer than a Corolla. (see: frequent fliers spending business dollars).
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stephengoodwinover 9 years ago
About 1&#x2F;2 of the flights I&#x27;ve taken in the past 5 years have been on United or Continental. 11 flights on United and 4 flights on Continental[1] (I keep track of my airline travel in a spreadsheet). 2 of my United flights were international. My most recent United flights was in late 2014.<p>I can only speak for myself, but I&#x27;ve never had a bad experience with United or Continental. A few small delays here or there. One 3 hour delay caused by really bad weather, but no cancellation: I still made it to my destination before 1am.<p>For context, I&#x27;ve always flown economy, by myself or in a small group, and usually departing from Austin or Houston.<p>[1] In this instance, 1 flight = 1 leg.
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jstalinover 9 years ago
I travel frequently and United is one of my favored airlines. I guess I just don&#x27;t expect much and airlines tend to deliver. My biggest frustrations are usually with other passengers, not the airlines or their staff.<p>One thing I do miss is the airline Midwest Express, which used to hand out warm chocolate chip cookies on each flight. It was a delight just smelling them warm up about 30 minutes in to the flight.
enobrevover 9 years ago
The last time I flew United was a non-stop flight from Chicago to NYC. I somehow ended up in Washington D.C. with seemingly clear skies* and no more flights out for the evening and a three-hour line for people trying to get hotel vouchers. I rented a car and was in my bed five hours later. That was six years ago. That wasn&#x27;t my first bad experience with United by a long shot, but I&#x27;m trying to make sure it&#x27;s my last.<p>* If there WERE poor weather conditions anywhere along the way, they weren&#x27;t showing up on any weather maps. I&#x27;m no expert - I&#x27;m sure they had their reasons.
marshrayover 9 years ago
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lokedhsover 9 years ago
I can&#x27;t help but think that all they have to do is to look at other airlines in the US and don&#x27;t do what they do. Then you look at any airline in Asia and do what they do. Problem solved.<p>I fly a lot in South-East Asia and judging by what I see from US commenters here, the things I can complain about are problems a US airline would love to have.
GizaDogover 9 years ago
You&#x27;d figured with the reduction in fuel prices they&#x27;d be able to spend that extra cash on its clients or erase those dumb baggage fees!
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leesalminenover 9 years ago
I had a decent experience with United over the holidays. Only $99 to upgrade to first class from DEN - LGA.
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CyberDildonicsover 9 years ago
I wonder if Satan also has a quest to be less evil.
rezashirazianover 9 years ago
The airline industry needs to be disrupted. Lets hope for a day when building safe and reliable planes is cheap and fueling them even cheaper.
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