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Is Self Hosted Blogging Dead?

193 pointsby robertnealanover 9 years ago

45 comments

verusfossaover 9 years ago
The intimidating thing for me was always how heavy blogging software was. Never really liked the idea of centralized hosting, but hosting some huge PHP blob with a database never felt like it was worth it. I&#x27;m hosting my own site now running Hugo and I love it. I agree that most people have moved to centralized hosting, but I&#x27;m seeing a resurgence of self-hosting with static site generators like jekyll, middleman or hugo. Things like static search[1] and static comments[2] are possible with some thought. Really neat and lightweight and with gitolite, I can keep my git repo containing the blog code on the server too, setup commit hook to rebuild the site and I&#x27;m maintenence free. I have some npm postcss scripts that build my scss, autoprefix it, etc and dump it into the assets for hugo to build from all in one go.<p>A lot of this is unncessary, I could just be using css. I like that there&#x27;s not all this asset-flow magic built out, just simple npm with bash cli. Unix philosophy and very little heavy lifting. I think there&#x27;s still hope.<p>Now if we can just teach casual users git...<p>[0]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gohugo.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gohugo.io&#x2F;</a> [1]<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.blevesearch.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;Site-Search&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.blevesearch.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;Site-Search&#x2F;</a> [2]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tlvince.com&#x2F;static-commenting" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tlvince.com&#x2F;static-commenting</a>
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burningionover 9 years ago
It&#x27;s amazing that the web, which was really originally built primarily as a distributed publishing platform, has gotten so damn complicated to publish to.<p>Right now I&#x27;ve got my own self hosted platform, running Wordpress on a Digital Ocean droplet. The constant security updates for Wordpress are a nightmare, and it seems I have to hack both my theme and my post code every time I want to make a slightly interactive post. Never mind that there doesn&#x27;t seem to be a decent way to preview posts on mobile.<p>As others have mentioned, it seems the best way to get more people in control of their own platforms would be with easier static tools.<p>On that note, I&#x27;ve been really impressed with org-mode and pandoc. I&#x27;ve been writing and generating code within a text based environment lately, but it still feels as though the process hasn&#x27;t really budged or improved much at all in the past 15 years. With org-mode and pandoc, along with babel, I can write and test code, embed images, and generate decent html&#x2F;pdf all in one go.<p>But for the casual user, I think it&#x27;s become more difficult to self publish over the years, not less. The tools we&#x27;ve built have gotten pretty embarrassing if our goal is to get as diverse of a population as possible speaking and sharing their ideas openly on the web.<p>Cheers to everyone still working on tools like org-mode, pandoc, and latex. It&#x27;s still relevant, and it still does a great job. If you haven&#x27;t checked them out, take a look. I was certainly surprised by how far these projects have been taken.
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scandoxover 9 years ago
My problem with Medium is that it lends this amazing aura of credibility to everything that is published on it. I think they&#x27;ve hit on the design equivalent of the brown note (of South Park fame) which makes readers mentally incontinent vis-a-vis the credibility of the source of the actual text...<p>Or maybe it&#x27;s just me?
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lkrubnerover 9 years ago
I am curious when this short-lived moment was suppose to be?<p>From the article:<p>&quot;There was a promising short lived moment where smaller, topic-oriented blog networks like Svbtle (amongst others) started appearing, but even those seem to have gone by the wayside and are increasingly being replaced by Medium.&quot;<p>Back in 2002 I co-founded a blogging company. At that time we were competing with the likes of Blogger.com and Typepad.com. There were many other companies, at that time, which I&#x27;ve since forgotten. At one point, around 2003 or 2004, we created a list of all our competitors, and there were at least 100 names on the list.<p>My point is, the vast bulk of all blogging has always been on 3rd party hosted blogging sites. Self-hosted blogging has always been rare. I self-host my blog, smashcompany.com, on a server at Rackspace, but this has always been a rare option.<p>All the same, I am intrigued by the question. If anyone has historical data on this, it would be fascinating to know when self-hosted blogs hit their peak. If Technorati.com has survived in its original form, then it would be in possession of this historical data, but sadly, the original Technorati.com is dead.
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squeakynickover 9 years ago
I&#x27;m embarrassed to say that I still hand write my blog directly in HTML using Notepad++ and manually FTP changes to the hosting company. Most of my blog is static HMTL, with a smidgen of script for analytics or occasional interaction. Every now and then I&#x27;ll use some light PHP (typically when I need interaction with a database on the server).
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evancordellover 9 years ago
I&#x27;ve recently settled on a mostly-free self-hosting platform: Jekyll + Github Pages + Google Domains + Kloudsec.<p>Jekyll and Github Pages keeps the deployment simple and Google Domains has proven to be simple, cheap, and reliable. I tried Kloudsec out last week on a whim after seeing it on HN, and so far it&#x27;s great - simple, free SSL with let&#x27;s encrypt.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;evancordell.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;evancordell.com</a> if interested. It needs a little more love before I&#x27;d really say I&#x27;m pleased with it, but I&#x27;m very happy with how cheap and easy it was to set up a personal blog with SSL.
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blakesterzover 9 years ago
I&#x27;ve been running a small hosting company since 2002. Started hosting just my blog, then friends, then their friends and so on. I used to have about 300 blogs total, now I&#x27;m down to about 250, and it&#x27;s slowly dropping every month. A few of those people moved to other hosting, and kept the blogs, but really most of them just said &quot;I&#x27;m giving up, no time to blog when I&#x27;m busy on Twitter and Facebook&quot;<p>I think many people feel like they get out what they needed to get out on Twitter&#x2F;Facebook. They used to write on their own blogs to get things out, now it&#x27;s elsewhere.
27182818284over 9 years ago
I self-host using a static site generator. I&#x27;ve found it to be very nice in the sense that it just takes pennies for the site to run.<p>I think a lot of folks are still running WordPress of some kind on their own Dreamhost, etc, accounts which feels like self-hosting to me.
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davnicwilover 9 years ago
I own a self-hosted blog and am actually in the process of deciding whether to transfer over to medium. To be honest I&#x27;m pretty much decided that I will, because it&#x27;s just easier, not to mention I can save myself some hosting fees.<p>The key questions of the debate on the cons side of switching, assuming you&#x27;re blogging for fun and not thinking particularly about advertising or massively customised SEO strategies, seem to be:<p>1. do I own my content 2. will my content be accessible forever<p>As this post highlights, the answer to (1) on medium is YES. So, no problems.<p>The answer to (2) is also, for all practical purposes, YES, but you shouldn&#x27;t depend on it.<p>But is this really such an issue anyway? I certainly assume that the vast majority back up their photographs, just by nature, and how difficult is it to back up the plaintext of your blog pieces too? If you have backups, and the answer to (1) is yes, then really, it starts to look like an easy decision.
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forrestthewoodsover 9 years ago
I used Ghost for over a year. I was relatively happy with it.<p>I recently switched to Medium and couldn&#x27;t be happier. With Ghost I was spending more time tweaking and maintaining purchased themes than I spent writing.<p>It&#x27;s really really really fucking hard to run a blog that works well on desktop&#x2F;tablet&#x2F;phone and doesn&#x27;t crash if you get a traffic spike. How many self hosted blogs can handle 500,000 hits in less than a day? Not many.<p>Medium will probably die someday. That&#x27;s fine. I own my content and my content URLs. I&#x27;ll simply port it to a new platform. It wouldn&#x27;t be the first time.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.forrestthewoods.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.forrestthewoods.com&#x2F;</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gamedevdaily.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gamedevdaily.io&#x2F;</a>
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ThomPeteover 9 years ago
No of course it&#x27;s not dead. Just like the desktop isn&#x27;t dead just because mobile is exploding.
K0nservover 9 years ago
I don&#x27;t think that it&#x27;s dead and self publishing I&#x27;d argue is easier and cheaper than ever. My blog has all the power of s3 for scaling with free SSL from Cloudflare and I pay peanuts for it. Current bill is $0.03 some months it gets closer to $1.<p>I&#x27;ve written about it here <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hugotunius.se&#x2F;aws&#x2F;cloudflare&#x2F;web&#x2F;2016&#x2F;01&#x2F;10&#x2F;the-one-cent-blog.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hugotunius.se&#x2F;aws&#x2F;cloudflare&#x2F;web&#x2F;2016&#x2F;01&#x2F;10&#x2F;the-one-...</a>
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skybrianover 9 years ago
The hard part is not getting a website to serve an HTML page. It&#x27;s that modern UI standards for HTML publishing are pretty high. Finding a theme that you like and most other people will like (let alone writing one yourself) is a hassle for most people who aren&#x27;t front-end developers.<p>You can point to lots of web sites that are hard to read, but that just proves the point that people are rather finicky about it these days.
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lipsover 9 years ago
As a blog consumer, rather than producer, I also have reservations about Medium-esque sites, but from the opposite perspective.<p>There&#x27;s already an infinite quantity of interesting content to read, and it seems reasonable to expect rising quantities of worthwhile, as I find writing and creations that I was unaware of when they were being made. With all this <i>stuff</i>, I want to be able to control where and when I read, and how I filter, manage, follow, and store all this stuff. At some point, platform operations reflect a business plan, and that plan may or may not allow for one or more of my preferences, for reasons of $. I guess I just prefer a relationship where a standard or pseudo-standard allows the user control, to select differing vendor options at the very least.<p>Then again, as I&#x27;m barely capable of managing a basic server install, I&#x27;m fully aware of why people throw in with hosted systems. I&#x27;m hoping for great things from stuff like Sandstorm.
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yumaikasover 9 years ago
I host my own blog (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;junglecoder.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;junglecoder.com</a>) on a VPS at the moment. But I went rather overboard with it, as I built my own CMS-lite in go. I was in college, wanted to learn how the web worked at a decently low level (lower than wordpress or rails).<p>What I&#x27;ve discovered is that having a VPS opens up a world of opportunities for network related things. I&#x27;ve used that site to host Ludum Dare entries, ClickOnce .NET apps, and a Wiki Profile image that I used to see if anyone was looking at my page on a company wiki. An SSH tunnel has allowed me to bypass some firewalls that block the majority of ports.... I&#x27;ve learned a lot on that server. Some of the best $50&#x2F;year that I spend in terms of hosting stuff.
ne01over 9 years ago
At sunsed.com we are 100% dedicated to create the best blogging (and in the near future, a full CMS) platform. We hope to re-energize the world of self-publishing with a managed solution that lets you import&#x2F;export to any other CMS&#x2F;Blogging platform!<p>Right now we are working on an IDE inside SunSed so anyone can create their own template with HTML++ (our own templating&#x2F;programming language).<p>Here is a screenshot of of our IDE (I&#x27;m working on it right now):<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cdn.sunsed.com&#x2F;0&#x2F;images&#x2F;shared-on-web&#x2F;htmlpp-ide-preview.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cdn.sunsed.com&#x2F;0&#x2F;images&#x2F;shared-on-web&#x2F;htmlpp-ide-pre...</a><p>We are going to announce HTML++ and SunSed 2.0 on HN in the next few months.<p>Happy hacking &amp; blogging!
cookiecaperover 9 years ago
I think the age of everyone having their own domain running their own code is starting to expire, just like the age of running your own email server. There&#x27;s just too much spam and bad actors out there, you have to prove your site innocent to the big indexes before you can get anywhere. If you publish on Medium, Facebook, Blogspot, or another platform that has &quot;rep&quot;, people assume the spam is filtered out by the platform, and they treat your content less skeptically.<p>Turns out AOL had the right idea the whole time -- people want platform-specific keywords and they want to trust the platform&#x27;s caretakers to decide what&#x27;s OK for them to see.
joelgrusover 9 years ago
I &quot;self-host&quot; using Pelican + S3. It&#x27;s super cheap (&lt; $1&#x2F;month) and pretty easy, the only real downside is that all of the Pelican themes are really ugly, and I&#x27;m not good enough at design to make a better one.
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onion2kover 9 years ago
I use and highly recommend hexo.io with it&#x27;s S3 deployment plugin. It&#x27;s as good as Jekyll but easier to modify and theme if you come from a web dev background as it&#x27;s written in NodeJS rather than Ruby.
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dbergover 9 years ago
honest question, how did Medium become so dominant for all blog posting so quickly ? The design is no doubt beautiful but there is nothing special. Curious why so many bloggers magically decided to publish there all of a sudden. I see tons of tech posts there now.
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peterwwillisover 9 years ago
Getting hosted by someone else is incredibly convenient. They take care of all the work of maintenance, security, reliability, and even give you tools to increase your visibility on the web and design your blog. IMHO only hobbyists or people with a very good reason should self-host. If you don&#x27;t like one company&#x27;s terms, look into the many other blog providers out there.
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EvanPlaiceover 9 years ago
Lots of comments are covering how Wordpress is a maintenance hassle, static sites require a programmer to update.<p>What about a 3rd option?<p>Use a web application that can asynchronously fetch markdown files and render them client-side.<p>That&#x27;s basically how my site I&#x27;ve been working functions.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;evanplaice.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;evanplaice.com</a><p>Here&#x27;s the code Http:&#x2F;&#x2F;gihub.com&#x2F;evanplaice&#x2F;evanplaice.com<p>I haven&#x27;t fleshed out the journal section yet but the majority of the rest of the site is all markdown driven with a clean separation between application. It&#x27;s also hosted on S3.<p>In theory, I could change the content directly to be loaded on Dropbox, although it would be preferable to provide inline caching of requests. For example use AWS lambda to frequently check for updates.<p>Eventually, when it&#x27;s ready, I plan to extract the journaling portion and release it as a server-less journaling platform.
therealidiotover 9 years ago
For those who aren&#x27;t scared of using Git with their blog, there&#x27;s fugitive.<p>It&#x27;s a few {pre,post}-{commit,receive} hooks which generate a static html blog from html articles (though you can configure it with an external parser iirc, so it shouldn&#x27;t be hard to get Markdown support.) It probably wouldn&#x27;t suffice for many use cases, but for simple blogs it might be enough.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gitorious.org&#x2F;fugitive&#x2F;fugitive" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gitorious.org&#x2F;fugitive&#x2F;fugitive</a>
tuananhover 9 years ago
I still self-hosted my site (jekyll) on a tiny instance (128mb ram) from RamNode. free ssl by cloudflare.<p>it costs a bit more than $1 a month to run it.
dba7dbaover 9 years ago
My observation is that about 90% of the Wordpress sites out there don&#x27;t need Wordpress. All they really need is html&#x2F;css.
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mark_l_watsonover 9 years ago
I went from years of using blogger.com to trying Wordpress for a few months. Then I switched to Jekyll and statically generated blog articles. In the end I went back to blogger.com because I figured that if I needed a 3rd party like discus for comments, then I might as well use blogger.com
zwischenzugover 9 years ago
I used Docker recently to host my own blog, in an attempt to put ads on it and whatever Wordpress extensions I wanted. Despite getting a healthy number of views (nothing extraordinary) the income was basically 0. It just wasn&#x27;t worth the candle.
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dredmorbiusover 9 years ago
I&#x27;ve been looking for intelligent conversation online for over 25 years. For a time it was Usenet. I mostly missed the Well, though I caught mailing lists, Slashdot, and for a brief moment, G+ (it&#x27;s still there, and I&#x27;ve cultivated a useful community, though the reach is small).<p>I&#x27;ve done some exploration of just where intelligent conversation online lies, and frankly was surprised at the results: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;dredmorbius&#x2F;comments&#x2F;3hp41w&#x2F;tracking_the_conversation_fp_global_100_thinkers&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;dredmorbius&#x2F;comments&#x2F;3hp41w&#x2F;trackin...</a><p>The methodology uses the <i>Foreign Policy</i> Top 100 Global Thinkers list as a proxy for &quot;intelligent discussion&quot;, the string &quot;this&quot; to detect English-language content, generally, and the arbitrarily selected string &quot;Kim Kardashian&quot; as a stand-in for antiintellectual content. Google search results counts on site-restricted queries are used to return the amount of matching content per site, with some bash and awk glue to string it all together and parse results.<p>As expected, Facebook is huge, as is Twitter. When looking at the FP&#x2F;1000 ratio (hits per 1,000 pages) KK&#x2F;1000, and FP:KK ratios, more interesting patterns emerge.<p>Facebook beats G+, largely.<p>Reddit makes up in quality what it lacks in size, but Metafilter blows it out of the water. Perhaps a sensible user filter helps a lot.<p>The real shocker though was how much content was on blogging engines, even with a very partial search -- mostly Wordpress and a few other major blogging engine sites. Quite simply, blogs favour long-form content, some of it <i>exceptionally</i> good.<p>But blogs suck for <i>exposure</i> and <i>engagement</i>.<p>This screams &quot;Opportunity!!&quot; to me. I&#x27;ve approached several players (G+&#x2F;Google, Ello) with suggestions they look into this. Ello&#x27;s @budnitz seems to be thinking along these lines (I&#x27;m a fan of what Ello&#x27;s doing, but its size is minuscule, and mobile platform usability is abysmal.)<p>One of the most crucial success elements for G+ is the <i>default</i> &quot;subscribe to all subsequent activity on this post&quot; aspect. Well, that and the ability to block fuckwits (though quite honestly <i>ignore</i> would be more than sufficient). There&#x27;s a hell of a lot else to dislike, but those two elements are crucial to engagement.<p>As for blogging, I&#x27;m a fan of a minimal design (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;codepen.io&#x2F;dredmorbius&#x2F;pen&#x2F;KpMqqB" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;codepen.io&#x2F;dredmorbius&#x2F;pen&#x2F;KpMqqB</a>) and static site generators.
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xylonover 9 years ago
I just write my blog direct in HTML and host it on a Raspberry pi running FreeBSD and darkhttpd: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.naughtycomputer.uk&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.naughtycomputer.uk&#x2F;</a>
cypharover 9 years ago
Nope. I run my own blog, which I implemented myself (using some nice Flask markdown thing as a base). <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cyphar.com&#x2F;blog" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cyphar.com&#x2F;blog</a>
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erikbover 9 years ago
It&#x27;s certainly not dead, but the relation maybe has changed a little. It started off as a public diary service and place for discussions and now it&#x27;s more of a traffic driver for marketing purposes.
j45over 9 years ago
Before looking at self-hosted blogs it would have to be looked at how many new beginners are being created in self-hosting alone? Before we can self-host blogs, we have to self-host anything.
KhalilKover 9 years ago
I spent a couple of weeks developing a blogging system in Django last summer. Doing so allows for great customization and fits exactly my needs.<p>It was more fun than writing actual blog content though.
facepalmover 9 years ago
Self hosted blogs miss the social graph, which drives traffic. That&#x27;s why Tumblr took off, and I suspect it is also what is driving Medium.
praveensterover 9 years ago
I am surprised nobody seems to mention indiewebcamp.com and withknown.com as alternatives to Wordpress or Ghost.
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manuwover 9 years ago
Medium &amp; Co. are good for write stuff down in a simple way. I prefer self-hosting with jekyll.
z3t4over 9 years ago
I guess there are as many static site generators as there are blogging developers :P
torbitover 9 years ago
nah. people (content marketers) post on medium in hope they click on their personal link in the author bio, which has their blog and content they wouldn&#x27;t put on medium.
tronathanover 9 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;s3.amazonaws.com&#x2F;f.cl.ly&#x2F;items&#x2F;072W0F1l3Q1C2b3u3T2r&#x2F;xs2nv.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;s3.amazonaws.com&#x2F;f.cl.ly&#x2F;items&#x2F;072W0F1l3Q1C2b3u3T2r&#x2F;...</a>
stolkover 9 years ago
What&#x27;s wrong with blogger.com ?
pcurveover 9 years ago
Remember Movable Type?
elcctover 9 years ago
I am working on a project that combines DNS, WWW and WebDav servers to simplify blogs self-hosting, so your blog can always sit connected on a mapped network drive and to add new website, you can just create a directory with new domain name. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;parkomat&#x2F;parkomat" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;parkomat&#x2F;parkomat</a>
misiti3780over 9 years ago
yes - why self host when I can host my blog at github using jekyll in &lt; 10 minutes ?
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Zystover 9 years ago
In this particular ecosystem (HN)? Probably not.<p>Half the time I see Medium posts, the other half I&#x27;ll see something hosted with Jekyll + github pages. Which technically isn&#x27;t Self Hosted, but still quite different from just writing in Medium or something of the sort.<p>However I suspect HackerNews readers are not the average, and I do think there&#x27;s a down trend on self hosting blogs, versus using Medium&#x2F;Wordpress&#x2F;Tumblr or even Blogspot.
fenomasover 9 years ago
I don&#x27;t follow the author&#x27;s complaints about terms and conditions. I suppose language like &quot;we can change these terms any time and your use of the site constitutes acceptance&quot; sounds ominous at a naive level, but what&#x27;s the alternative? It would amount to some form of preventing users from using the site until they click &quot;agree&quot;, and then doing that again every time the T&amp;Cs change, right?
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