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Show HN: I recently launched a new cloud hosting company

91 pointsby jasondecastroover 9 years ago

34 comments

condescendenceover 9 years ago
Since other people have ripped apart your site already I&#x27;ll focus on the good. I like the marketing towards dev teams, I&#x27;ve been thinking about this for sometime. B2B industries are strong and provide secure streams of money.<p>I started a virtual server service in the past and of course marketed it as such, unfortunately they&#x27;re a dime a dozen. Your marketing approach might be the edge you need. The $49&#x2F;month plan ain&#x27;t bad either, I might grab that just for myself ^-^<p>One thing to focus on, I think, is to explain what we&#x27;d be getting for a CPU, I use Virtual Servers&#x2F;Machines for everything..even have a few servers at my house for my development needs. Some are old and still usable, while some are razor sharp off the shelf stacked with the latest Xeon&#x27;s. What I&#x27;m getting at is that I don&#x27;t really care what&#x27;s in the thing, but I&#x27;d like to know what I can run on it efficiently.<p>For example I buy the $49&#x2F;12GB package. Do I get more CPU&#x27;s if I split it up into 6x2GB vs 12x1GB? Or is that a flat rate item of 1vCPU per machine?
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ewindischover 9 years ago
Running a hosting business is hard work, I did it for over 10 years. It&#x27;s under-appreciated, users complain about everything, nobody wants to trust you, and many of the customers you do remain want to bleed your support dry. Some of the most successful hosting companies have succeeded by eliminating SLAs and making support hard to reach. Others such as Rackspace make support easy to get, but make sure the customers pay for the privilege. All of the problems with trying to start a hosting company are clear from the responses here.<p>One of the problems in this space is that it&#x27;s a mature market. Developers are accustomed to Amazon, Digital Ocean, Linode, Azure, and GCE. These are mature products and yes, users are skeptical of new entrants that don&#x27;t do as much, don&#x27;t have a complete product, or even have put effort into their website. For HackerNews, it&#x27;s ironic, but clearly this audience is expecting a mature product not a lean approach. (Self-provisioning while now industry-standard requires a significant effort to prevent fraud &amp; abuse, and slow-provisioning is completely in-line with Lean methodologies)<p>So, some advice:<p>* Don&#x27;t give up just because of the bad feedback. Iterate!<p>* Focusing on devs is probably wrong if you don&#x27;t have a plan to leverage individual sales to enterprise sales. Individuals pay less and you need more of them. More customers usually equals more support, they&#x27;re more fickle, and less likely to be retained. Perhaps surprisingly, they&#x27;re also traditionally seasonal, with dev-based buy-in being strongest during summer.<p>* Find a hook. Something you do better, or different. For my hosting company, it was virtual servers for only $6&#x2F;mo, when at the time the lowest priced alternative was $20&#x2F;mo. We adopted an architecture that allowed us to radically compete on price. It doesn&#x27;t have to be price, and honestly, it&#x27;s better that it&#x27;s not. Also make sure the hook is understood by the market, one of my company&#x27;s problems was that our low price had us compared to shared hosting or container-based solutions, because virtual servers at that price was too unbelievable.<p>* Hack trust. Some people here mention trust. Now, I think this is over-valued. People put data with companies they really don&#x27;t know much about all the time. At some point, nobody knew who Dropbox, Docker, or Digital Ocean were. If, however, this proves to be a problem - and it could be in the current surveillance state - then look at ways to hack trust. For instance, a service such as AWS Lambda has a different threat (and trust) model than EC2, based solely on how developers use these products. If you stick with VM-based hosting, then develop partnerships, get reference customers, bring on staff that the community already knows, loves, and trusts.<p>Good luck!
hardwaresoftonover 9 years ago
Just a note to the makers of ramgrid -- while many of these comments may be harsh, it is probably not in your best interest to respond in anger&#x2F;defensively.<p>This page is a trove of feedback from potential users of your product.<p>I personally chose a cloud hosting company called INIZ (that I&#x27;m extremely happy with) based on comments and a mention on HN -- just trying to let you know, this is your crowd, and they&#x27;re angry&#x2F;confused about your site. Find a way to fix it.
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al2o3crover 9 years ago
Marketing page copy: &quot;Unlimited 1GB servers&quot;<p>FAQ when signed in: &quot;Each plan has a maximum capacity for the amount of servers its allowed to create. Due to the significant amount of dedicated resources we provide, we can&#x27;t literally give you unlimited servers. However, you could upgrade your plan whenever you&#x27;d like.&quot;<p>So your marketing page is LITERALLY a lie. Good job.
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jlgaddisover 9 years ago
There&#x27;s a lot of information missing from your page that I&#x27;d want to know before even considering becoming a customer...<p>Where is&#x2F;are your datacenter(s)?<p>What virtualization technologies are in use?<p>What type of hardware is in the physical hosts?<p>What operating systems are supported?<p>Minor complaint: clicking &quot;Enterprise&quot; or &quot;Education&quot; in the footer opens up a new mail message. That&#x27;s not what I wanted nor what I expected.
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jakejakeover 9 years ago
This appears to be a half-functioning project by an inexperienced but enthusiastic young person that has gotten way more attention and been taken more seriously than he imagined.<p>I can see myself having done something like this when I was 13 or 14, meaning well and just wanting to be involved in a startup. But I think he used a bootstrap template that made the page and product look just good enough that people here are giving it a serious evaluation as a hosting business. It is clearly not ready for serious use, but it is an interesting lesson about how wide open tech is for anyone to come along and create a business.
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USNetizenover 9 years ago
I&#x27;m a little leery when the &quot;refunds&quot; link is dead and there is no &quot;contact&quot; page for a business. Hard to vet the legitimacy of a company without that information in my opinion. A lot of the site seems very cut-and-paste as well with several &quot;coming soon&quot; features and very little descriptive information. I would have thought this to have been worked out given this has been in the works &quot;for a couple years&quot; per the owner(s).<p>I also don&#x27;t see how this stands out from the thousands of other companies out there offering &quot;cloud hosting&quot; of some sorts - do you own your own facilities? Lease them? Use other providers? What type of equipment is this and where are you located? etc. Not nearly enough information to determine a unique competitive advantage from what I can see.<p>What type of security measures do you use? The only &quot;description&quot; I see is &quot;top notch&quot; which doesn&#x27;t tell me anything. Any compliance info you can share? Security audit results? Something? Anything?<p>Just my first instinctual opinion here, trying to offer some constructive feedback.
USNetizenover 9 years ago
It seems a self-written description of the owner&#x27;s &quot;previous projects&quot; include an FBI Takedown on one of them - and he&#x27;s seemingly proud of it. This doesn&#x27;t bode well for the legitimacy of the current venture:<p><i>&quot;I know what you&#x27;re thinking. F</i><i>kPaying is a brand new way to watch movies, download books, and download music. I built out a really nice website that&#x27;s very intuitive and user friendly. Yeah... if you&#x27;re reading this, the website might have been taken down by the FBI. It was a good run, folks. I hope I don&#x27;t get taken to jail for this.&quot;</i><p>Couple that with the overwhelming issues others have brought up here and I have doubts this is a serious business at all.
Zekioover 9 years ago
Wow, I wouldn&#x27;t trust that site with even a single cent, even the prices are the same as the ones on the bootstrap template O.o<p>I like the name though<p>Edit: Also the about talks about there&#x27;s been spent years on this, while the website looks like something slapped together in a couple of minutes at best.
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haliteover 9 years ago
I&#x27;m usually not opposed to trying out new services and tools but this one I&#x27;m not so sure.<p>For a cloud hosting company, there are few basic essentials:<p>* Support - live, tickets, email, phone etc.<p>* DevOps work<p>* Marketing<p>* Documentation<p>* and more...<p>I&#x27;d be little hesitant if everything for so called &quot;cloud hosting&quot; company is done by a single &quot;I&quot;.
jedbergover 9 years ago
Some feedback for you: I read your webpage and I&#x27;m unclear as to why you are better than, or even different from, Amazon.<p>And glancing at your pricing, I think Amazon is cheaper too.<p>I&#x27;d suggest adding a grid or a bullet list enumerating how you are different.<p>Also, something to keep in mind -- when launching a new product that replaces the functionality of another, you can&#x27;t be just as good, or even slightly better, you need to be <i>significantly</i> better to get someone to move. So you should focus on showing why you would be <i>significantly</i> better than your competitors that you&#x27;re trying to displace.
r0mualdover 9 years ago
Good to see that there&#x27;s room for some competition in this space!<p>You are loading two HTTP assets on your landing page, resulting in security warnings for mixed content.<p>The pricing model is interesting but the wording isn&#x27;t very clear: what does &quot;monthly RAM kick-start &quot; mean? How does it relate with &quot;Unlimited 1GB or 2GB RAM servers&quot; ?
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CM30over 9 years ago
Well, I&#x27;ll be honest... I&#x27;m not too sure about this service, or the idea behind it. I mean, hosting (both in the &#x27;cloud&#x27; and non cloud sense) is a really competitive, cut throat industry with players able (and willing) to spend millions of dollars on advertising and services.<p>And people kind of want stability in this type of thing. So if you want Ramgrid to do well, you&#x27;re gonna have to prove you can keep the company going for at least a few years in order to convince people you&#x27;re reliable. Remember, many hosting companies are fly by night operations (there&#x27;s even jokes about some of them being set up by high school kids in the summer holidays), and people are hence more than a tad wary of new ventures in this space. Especially when they don&#x27;t have a big name like Amazon&#x27;s behind them.<p>But hey, good luck with the whole thing.
kingnothingover 9 years ago
What differentiates this from AWS or other known providers and why should companies choose to trust a new service over the incumbents?
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grey-areaover 9 years ago
Looks interesting and a nice landing page, but your main problem will be trust. Probably for that reason needs a lot more detail (datacentre, tech, investments). I&#x27;d remove the word unlimited from both plans as it is highly misleading.<p>An API is probably not going to gain you customers before the above.
letcreeover 9 years ago
It seems like they&#x27;re just renting OVH dedicated servers (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ovh.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;dedicated-servers&#x2F;hosting&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ovh.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;dedicated-servers&#x2F;hosting&#x2F;</a>) and selling virtual machines on them. You could get cheaper pricing and more reliable servers by purchasing VPS from OVH directly, or going through a more reputable provider that resells OVH like My Custom Hosting or Luna Node.
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jh37over 9 years ago
Why was this launched before these &quot;Powerful and seamless APIs&quot;?
notacowardover 9 years ago
&quot;Never experience the hassle of ... while saving a bunch of money&quot;<p>Wait, you mean that if I don&#x27;t use your service then I&#x27;ll have hassles but at least I&#x27;ll save money? That&#x27;s how it reads. You seem to expect that people will parse it like this.<p><pre><code> (never-experience X) while Y </code></pre> Unfortunately, most people parse it like this.<p><pre><code> never-experience (X while Y) </code></pre> Try each one out on &quot;never experience burning your hand while cooking breakfast&quot;. Do you see the difference, and why the front-page copy might make some people giggle?
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fweespeechover 9 years ago
1) Datacenter[s]? Locations?<p>2) Virtualiztion technology being used?<p>3) Hardware + Customer Density [ I&#x27;m guessing its commodity 32GB nodes with 1 TB disks based on your configuration offerings ]<p>4) Bandwidth costs????
marvel_boyover 9 years ago
Newbie here. How can I bet on your service? What happens if 6 months ahead the service close?
pcglueover 9 years ago
Good on you for trying something. I hope you learn from this. I can only imagine the trouble I would have gotten into if the internet&#x2F;social media were around when I was a teenager or even in college.
bdcravensover 9 years ago
Sign up for a plan: &quot;Still unactivated! Give us a bit more time and then you&#x27;ll be free to peek around however you&#x27;d like.&quot;<p>I don&#x27;t think this is acceptable in 2016.
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michaelmiorover 9 years ago
Sounds interesting, but you should have someone edit your copy. Below is a sample of some issues I found.<p>&gt; We are the first to do this.<p>Have cheap prices? Not really a selling a point.<p>&gt; We care about not only the privacy<p>&quot;the&quot; is unnecessary here<p>&gt; we guarantee that our interface is top of the notch<p>The expression is just &quot;top notch&quot;<p>&gt; so that you could easily spin up and deploy new servers<p>&quot;can&quot; easily spin up<p>&gt; every month you&#x27;ll receive discounts and other prop<p>What is a &quot;prop&quot;?
oldfatslowover 9 years ago
I was signing up and had some questions right off the start. What is included in standard support and how is it different from 9-5 support? You have DDoS protection for $10 extra. If I buy the DDoS protection but others on your network do not, am I still protected from their potential DDoS attacks?
BinaryIdiotover 9 years ago
The API is interesting; looks more like a natural language versus syntax. I&#x27;m actually working on something that would be able to create that syntax for you though it&#x27;s not something you&#x27;d be able to integrate anytime soon however I do see the value in it!
dankohn1over 9 years ago
Boy, I read through and thought this was a parody.<p>&quot;Security: We guarantee top notch security from the minute you&#x27;re on the payment page to the second you start creating servers.&quot; Meaning that the security ends the moment you start creating a server?
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PancakeAHover 9 years ago
Can someone explain how this differs from just server hosting?
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destroyer998over 9 years ago
It seems shady at best.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;QTpBGJT.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;QTpBGJT.png</a>
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zongitsrinzlerover 9 years ago
You should really put a lot more info on your page. How does it all work? You need to build some trust.
yeukhonover 9 years ago
First question: what are you running on? AWS? Openstack private data center? Google cloud?
cphooverover 9 years ago
what is your SLA?
4r10r5over 9 years ago
aws is the new microsoft and openstack is the new linux. API lock-in is real and outliers will suffer.
curiousGamblerover 9 years ago
Is the link broken, or is just me?
RIMRover 9 years ago
Christ, this is a total shitshow.<p>Enjoy the free $9. Your service is unusable, so I&#x27;ll never really be using it. It&#x27;ll be the only $9 you ever get from me.<p>My first step with any VPS is to run &quot;sudo apt-get update&quot;. This generates a ton of checksum errors.<p>I figured I would get around to that later, so I updated what I could. Then I tried to install Asterisk, but it appears that you stripped all the default repositories out of apt, because that package isn&#x27;t available.<p>Oh well, I guess I&#x27;ll compile it from source. Nevermind, make and gcc aren&#x27;t installed! I was able to install make using apt-get, but not gcc!<p>I shouldn&#x27;t have to go through this many hoops. The OS shouldn&#x27;t come broken like it is. Just push out server-core like you should have to begin with!<p>It&#x27;s like you tried to make this service as intentionally bad as you possibly could.<p>EDIT:<p>This is so stupid I can&#x27;t even begin to understand why you would do this:<p>&quot;If the emergency is completely life threatening and our instant messaging support isn&#x27;t appearing right now, do not hesitate to call us at: [redacted]. However, you will only weaken relations if you called and the problem is something that literally wasn&#x27;t life threatening. Like, you actually seriously need to be dying in order to call us.&quot;<p>Don&#x27;t EVER suggest that someone should call you in a life-threatening situation. I understand you&#x27;re exaggerating, but you could be sued for millions if anyone ever called that number and they were in an actual life-or-death situation. The only acceptable number to call in a life-threatening situation is 911 (or 999, or whatever you call in your home country).<p>If you don&#x27;t want people to call you, don&#x27;t give out your phone number. It&#x27;s very simple.<p>Your site isn&#x27;t just bad. You could ruin your life with serious legal issues over all of this stuff.<p>Please, for the love of God, tell me you established an LLC and aren&#x27;t the sole-proprietor of this monstrosity...<p>EDIT2:<p>I just spoke to the founder over support chat, and he&#x27;s being very humble and apologetic over the problems. He&#x27;s disabled all recurring billing so that he can end this experiment gracefully and continue working out the kinks before the actual launch. We overwhelmed him a little.<p>I&#x27;ll give him credit where credit is due: Half-baked or not, he&#x27;s taking this seriously and trying to right wrongs. I look forward to seeing what the next four weeks have in store, and I am going to work with him to be the best beta-tester I can.<p>It isn&#x27;t a scam, so don&#x27;t worry. I wouldn&#x27;t suggest signing up for this for any reason other than to experiment and help him beta-test. It&#x27;s not stable enough for use with production servers. Hopefully he&#x27;ll clarify that to potential customers before they sign up, because unlike me, some people may have intended to do real-world things with this service.<p>EDIT3:<p>Oh nevermind. Founder is clueless. He stopped responding to me when I told him that I had completely lost control over my services, and when I tried to open a support ticket, this happened:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;G7yAlAc.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;G7yAlAc.png</a><p>I cannot stress enough that there is nothing on Earth that you handle this way. I am putting 3&#x2F;1&#x2F;16 on my calendar, because I&#x27;m almost certain I&#x27;m going to need to dispute a credit card charge on that day. I don&#x27;t think I can take his word when he says he disabled recurring payments...
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