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Julian Assange decision by UN panel ridiculous, says Hammond

44 pointsby nnsover 9 years ago

5 comments

pdabbadabbaover 9 years ago
I&#x27;d appreciate it if someone could make an earnest answer to explain to me how on Earth one could agree with the U.N. panel.<p>As I understand it:<p>Assange has been charged in Sweden with rape, on the basis of an alleged victim&#x27;s complaint. This, I would think, is clearly enough to warrant a criminal investigation and, perhaps, an arrest warrant. I know that some question the veracity of the complaint against him, but that does not change the fact that Sweden has clearly followed its own law in pursuing the complaint, including the arrest warrant. (Remember, there&#x27;s a different standard for arresting someone than convicting them!)<p>On the basis of this arrest warrant, he is now subject to arrest in the U.K. for extradition. Again, this is totally normal.<p>True, there may be questions about whether the Swedish prosecutor could have&#x2F;should have come to the U.K. to question Assange. But the fact of the matter, legally speaking, is that he is subject to legal arrest in Sweden and, therefore, legally subject to arrest in the U.K. regardless of how the prosecutor chooses to pursue the case. The Swedish prosecutor clearly does not legally <i>have</i> to come to the U.K. to interview him. That&#x27;s presumably the whole reason that, under Swedish law (and also, more or less, under U.S. law), one can be arrested for questioning. So that a defendant cannot run out the clock on his or her prosecution by dodging the prosecutor.<p>It is often said that he is doing all this to avoid extradition to the U.S. But: a. This is totally speculative, and not a legal basis for avoiding a duly issued arrest warrant in Sweden. a. That didn&#x27;t stop him from hanging out in Sweden before his rape charge. b. If he is extradited to the U.S., that too will presumably be in the course of a legal process. There <i>is</i>, after all, a good argument that he committed a U.S. crime.<p>Again, one may question the merits of the prosecution in Sweden, or the hypothetical charge in the U.S., but that doesn&#x27;t make what has happened so far &quot;arbitrary.&quot;
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qrendelover 9 years ago
Tangentially related: I&#x27;m not sure if anyone else gets this, but I honestly have trouble reading some of these comments without viewing any argument I disagree with as a potential JTRIG operation. (And yes I know someone was criticized yesterday[1] for making similar accusations in the other thread.)<p>Which is certainly uncharitable towards others&#x27; alternative opinions, but how can you honestly not be suspicious at this point? That&#x27;s why the tactics are so insidious and destructive to civil society: there&#x27;s really no way to innoculate yourself. Either you potentially let yourself be swayed by a NatSec astroturfing campaign, or let the same sow fear, uncertainty and doubt to where you can&#x27;t even participate in a political discussion with people of opposing viewpoints.<p>Would be curious how many others have the same reaction and how they deal with it. Though there&#x27;s a certain amusing irony that one would have cause for paranoid suspicion of <i>those</i> comments as well.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11036249" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11036249</a>
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mtgxover 9 years ago
If I were Assange I would stay there until David Cameron or even the Tories are out. But maybe he is tired of staying there and wants to take his chances on the outside.
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lowmagnetover 9 years ago
I love how article titles obfuscate the &quot;is&quot; of equation in that statement. By saying &quot;decision = ridiculous&quot; the only argument someone could have is &quot;is not&quot; to counter it.<p>The article&#x27;s first line states it more as a matter of Hammond&#x27;s opinion:<p>&gt; The UK foreign secretary <i>has branded as &quot;ridiculous&quot;</i> a UN panel&#x27;s ruling that Julian Assange be allowed to go free
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DyslexicAtheistover 9 years ago
Also the feeling you get when reading the BBC article is that he is a guilty rapist wanted for much larger crimes (than rape). The video has a ticker showing the cost to the UK by putting up with him.<p>Anyone reading this should really notice the bias of this article. It has smear-campaign written all over. One would expect that of course from a FVEY country.