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No patent if invention lies only in computer program, says Indian Patent Office

590 pointsby joshsharpover 9 years ago

27 comments

gilgoomeshover 9 years ago
I&#x27;ve always though trying to discriminate against &quot;software&quot; patents was particularly stupid.<p>First: it simply encourages patents where the entire computer is included in a description of the software, turning it into a product&#x2F;apparatus patent.<p>Second: the problem most people have with software patents is not the fact that software is being protected. The problem is that software patents are rife with &quot;inventions&quot; that are merely a low-effort merging of existing ideas – usually ideas that are well established and the context is changed slightly.<p>This second point applies to <i>any</i> industry, not just software. Biotech industries are continually trying to patent drugs and genes using the same pattern. Fix the stupid determination of novelty, rather than discriminating against certain kinds of invention.
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Jokyover 9 years ago
How is it different from Europe? According to Wikipedia [0]: &quot;Under the EPC, and in particular its Article 52, &quot;programs for computers&quot; are not regarded as inventions for the purpose of granting European patents&quot;<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Software_patents_under_the_European_Patent_Convention" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Software_patents_under_the_Eur...</a>
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yaloginover 9 years ago
This is awesome. India is doing the correct hung these days. First they show Zuckerberg the door and then this. Kudos to whoever is in charge of this change.
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chrisbennetover 9 years ago
<i>&quot;To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries&quot;</i><p>Software patents are currently a drag on innovation. The benefits of giving a company a monopoly in exchange for sharing their software &quot;invention&quot; isn&#x27;t a good bargain - especially when their &quot;invention&quot; will be, and has been, independently invented over and over again 99.9% of the time.<p>Patents may be OK for some things but they cause more harm than good in the software field.
datamanc3rover 9 years ago
The US equivalent of this ruling would be the Alice Corp. v. CLS Bank International. Very similar ruling by the US Supreme Court, urging the USPTO to stop endorsing process patents in general because of their claims to abstraction.<p>This ruling is reverberating throughout the legal community.<p>It&#x27;s great, and we can make real strides in the medical, business, and software fields without being hindered by trolls and monopolies.
datamanc3rover 9 years ago
I&#x27;m really liking this trend. The US&#x27;s version of this is Alice v CLS Bank case. Very similar rulings, and the effect is reverberating throughout the legal community.<p>I think it&#x27;s great that process patents in general are going bye-bye. Now we can make some real strides in the medical, business, and software fields without being deterred by trolls and monopolies.
decafbadover 9 years ago
Turkish Patent Institute also explicitly states <i>no software patents</i>.<p>Search for <i>programs</i>: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tpe.gov.tr&#x2F;TurkPatentEnstitusu&#x2F;resources&#x2F;temp&#x2F;FCF70E4B-ABEE-49E3-A769-5D1343953E85.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tpe.gov.tr&#x2F;TurkPatentEnstitusu&#x2F;resources&#x2F;temp&#x2F;FCF...</a>
chris_wotover 9 years ago
Right, all Linux distribution move their patent encumbered software to a special Indian-based repo server. Or someone else does it with donations from Westeners to keep the servers running.<p>I can dream. But should this work, then that&#x27;s the end of the U.S. and European hegemony on abstract ideas like business processes, patents based on processes &quot;that use a computer&quot; and any mathematical concept - which puts paid to patents on most network protocols and compression algorithms.<p>And what a great world that will be. The first grand step in killing all patent trolls.
quanticleover 9 years ago
Does this mean that software patents are not valid in India? If so, what will this mean for trade relations between India and the US?
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studentrobover 9 years ago
Finally someone with some common sense.<p>Software is already protected by copyright.
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simula67over 9 years ago
So does this means we can create ISOs of Ubuntu etc with all the media codecs pre-installed and distribute them freely in India ?
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Kiroover 9 years ago
I thought this was how it worked in most countries except the US.
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musesumover 9 years ago
Uhm, this sounds a lot like: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Diamond_v._Diehr" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Diamond_v._Diehr</a><p>Which is essential the beginning of patents, in the US. Basically, the software has to run on a hardware device.<p>How is it different? (IANAL)
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z3t4over 9 years ago
Because a computer program is just a set of instructions, you could argue if we even need copyrights!? Personally I think software copyrights is a nice middle way.<p>Software pattens is just silly, you want to have comments in your code? Pay Microsoft! You want to make object oriented code? Pay Oracle. Need networking? Pay Facebook.
afsinaover 9 years ago
I also find this distinction stupid. Just abolish all patents and make your business plan accordingly (High quality products, Trade secrets, Saturating the market, Early entry advantage, etc.) I have yet to see a compelling argument against this.
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tehwalrusover 9 years ago
So, just like the EU definition then; where software patents are disallowed. Good.
99_00over 9 years ago
Does this mean that in India, if a big company likes a startup they can just clone their product? It&#x27;s has to be cheaper than acquiring.
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acchowover 9 years ago
What if you write the program into silicon?
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danfinlayover 9 years ago
Hasn&#x27;t this judge seen the Matrix?
nashashmiover 9 years ago
Does this make UI innovations unpatentable? Can GUI be considered a hardware?
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tremonover 9 years ago
Enter software patent enforcement through trade agreements in 3, 2, 1...
idibidiartover 9 years ago
How about a hardware invention&#x2F;device made entirely of FPGAs?
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crimsonalucardover 9 years ago
What is their definition of &quot;Computer&quot; ???
joe563323over 9 years ago
I never thought this could happen in any country. Just awesome news.
ronakdoshiover 9 years ago
This seems to be the result of The groups, which raised protest against the previous guideline issued in August, 2015.
blazespinover 9 years ago
Right. Go from like 20 years to 0 years.<p>Does anyone ever think that maybe they should go to 5 years for software patents instead? Why go from one extreme to another?
tn13over 9 years ago
Honestly I would not give much important to Indian Patent Office. It can be appealed in High Court and Supreme Court which may take our lifetimes to arrive at any conclusion
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