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Show HN: Atri: an experiment in web economics

65 pointsby mankinsabout 9 years ago

14 comments

kincardineabout 9 years ago
You&#x27;re pitching it to potential customers entirely the wrong way.<p>Most consumers of web content (&gt;99%) don&#x27;t care about this in any way. I mean, to be perfectly honest, I&#x27;m only mildly interested in exploring alternatives to the ad-supported web. I almost never see ads anyway.<p>You should be selling this as something that will give access to paywall content. That&#x27;s it. Because that&#x27;s the only possible thing that there is even a sliver of a market for. Recruit content providers (the bigger, the better), figure out how much they are currently making off paywall revenue, possibly sell at a loss to build a user base (and demonstrate traction to more content providers and possible investors).<p>Once you have a user base and demonstrated traction, allow future content providers (of any size and viewership) to join your &quot;platform&quot; and earn payouts based on viewership. Obviously, still target large, valuable content providers directly.<p>As the number of content providers grows, your value proposition grows.<p>As it is, you&#x27;re charging $10&#x2F;month for a service that offers less value than what most people get for free through AdBlock.<p>The real economics experiment is if people will pay more money for less value. The utility of &quot;fixing the web&quot; doesn&#x27;t even come close to spanning the value deficit.
bgnm2000about 9 years ago
The problem here (as I see it), is consumers don&#x27;t care about this problem - and thats who you need to buy in. If ad-block already works for them, why download + pay for something else (that doesn&#x27;t block ads anyway)?
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Vraxxabout 9 years ago
To me this seems like it would suffer from a chicken and egg sort of issue. To expand, this is useful to me as a consumer if I could install it and browse the web ad and guilt free, as well as having access to pay-walled content with my Atri subscription essentially paying for it. As a content provider, I&#x27;m only going to want to provide this avenue of &quot;subscription&quot; if it nets more money than my current method of monetization of my content. By the looks of it, this is trying to recruit users first, but what value is a user being provided for the $30 over 3 months other than being included in an artificially limited experiment?<p>edit: To be clear, I like the idea, and I think something needs to be tried in order for something to work. These are just my initial skeptical criticisms.
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grizzlesabout 9 years ago
Paymail.net is a competitor in this space. Our app doesn&#x27;t need a chrome extension. We&#x27;re all for shaking up the economics of the web. You can see a demo of the app here: signal.city&#x2F;sigcity.mp4<p>One of the things I think publishers probably want with stuff like this is an open standard for letting people hop over paywalls.<p>We&#x27;d be happy to cooperate with Atri or Blendle or anyone else on this. I think if companies give up on the fantasy of owning the entire distribution channel there is still a ton of other ways to build products that add massive value in this market.
panicabout 9 years ago
There&#x27;s a lot more info on this page for some reason: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fairtread.com&#x2F;company&#x2F;about&#x2F;faq" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fairtread.com&#x2F;company&#x2F;about&#x2F;faq</a>
Kinnardabout 9 years ago
I&#x27;d put &quot;HOW DOES THE &quot;EXPERIMENT&quot; WORK?&quot; higher up. I shouldn&#x27;t have to scroll down to find out what atri is. I think an evocative explanatory one-liner should be above the fold.
vincent_sabout 9 years ago
Flattr has been trying this since 2010. It got a lot of attention back then and is still used today.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;flattr.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;flattr.com&#x2F;</a>
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matt4077about 9 years ago
Very close to flattr, which unfortunately never really took off.
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Kinnardabout 9 years ago
You should partner&#x2F;merge with pocket: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;getpocket.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;getpocket.com</a>
fiatjafabout 9 years ago
Sometimes I visit a website I don&#x27;t want to give money to. I think it is doing a disservice to the world.
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Kinnardabout 9 years ago
You should accept bitcoin, that would at least get you a lot of attention and play in a niche community.
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herbstabout 9 years ago
As site owner, how do you plan to contact me and alocate to me some funds?
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fiatjafabout 9 years ago
Let the paywalls come!
santiago-northabout 9 years ago
Cool Idea.