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A Hunger Artist, by Franz Kafka (brought to mind by "How to be a loser")

20 pointsby nonrecursiveover 15 years ago

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nonrecursiveover 15 years ago
In my original comment I was trying to be neutral when I said "I was reminded of this story by this other thing that was on Hacker News." I was not trying to imply that the original essay, "How to be a loser", and Kafka's story have the exact same message. My intention was only to point out what specifically spurred the association without giving any analysis or opinion. Evidently I didn't do a good job, and I wish I had.<p>But here is my opinion on the story, if only to disabuse mtts of the rather presumptuous notion that I wear "myopic web startup goggles" and think this great story is "another piece of entrepreneurial feel good fluff":<p>I've loved this story since I first read it 9 or 10 years ago. It's emotional, mysterious, and ambiguous. It lives up to Kafka's claim that "A book must be an ice-axe to break the seas frozen inside your soul."<p>I think I can see what mtts is saying when he says the story is essentially about loneliness, but I'd love to hear more. Because I think the story is about other things as well - about ambition, about art, about being misunderstood, and about greatness.<p>Kafka's hunger artist is a man who feels like he has never reached his potential. He's always convinced that he can accomplish more than is allowed, and has a troubled spirit because of it and because he perceives that his management and public are keeping him from reaching his potential while at the same time completely misunderstanding why he feels as he does.<p>Yet when he finally is left to fast for as long as he wants, at the end of it he says "You shouldn't admire it. Because I have to fast, I can't help it. Because I couldn't find the food I liked. If I had found it, believe me, I should have made no fuss and stuffed myself like you or anyone else."<p>Why would he say that? What's Kafka trying to say? It seems like Kafka means to communicate that great artists aren't admirable, that in fact there's something wrong with them. In the end, their constant hunger isn't a noble trait, it's not an acquired virtue. It's a defect, a kind of obsessive compulsive disorder of the soul.<p>This is probably why the public reacts to the hunger artist as they do. They find him fascinating, and culturally he's celebrated to an extent, but the public can't truly value what he does. It's horrifying. It's inhuman.<p>So, I in fact brought up this story because if it's related to the "How to be a loser" essay, it's as a contradiction. jsomers presents constant hunger as something admirable, and those who are content as people who are only fooling themselves into believing they're not living lives of "quiet desperation". The other way of looking at "winners" and "losers" is to say that "winners" are so compelled to satisfy their hunger that they're not capable of being normal, healthy, content humans.
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nonrecursiveover 15 years ago
In this story Kafka presents a character whose profession is to go hungry.<p>I was reminded of it by the last bit of "How to be a loser":<p>Thoreau said that most men lead lives of quiet desperation. It seems that that’s true, but with the following proviso: some men do eke out contentment, and they get there by gradually ratcheting down their expectations. Their appetites fade. They compromise, and rationalize, and eventually settle.<p>I think Steve Jobs said something similar: "Always stay hungry."
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gnosisover 15 years ago
Knut Hamsun's "Hunger" is also excellent (better even than Kafka, but less well-known):<p><a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext05/8hngr10h.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext05/8hngr10h.htm</a>