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Never buy Epson printers

209 pointsby e-nouriabout 9 years ago

45 comments

JensRexabout 9 years ago
I bought a Brother (HL-2170W) laser printer about 8 years ago, and it&#x27;s still using its original cartridge. I do very little printing, but I do need it from time to time.<p>During my last move, I accidentally tipped a book shelf on top of it. Cracked a few plastic bits, and bent some metal things inside it. I unbent the metal, and glued the plastic, and the thing still prints like it&#x27;s new out of the box.<p>I&#x27;ve talked more than a few people out of buying inkjets.
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walrus01about 9 years ago
Never buy any inkjet printer. I threw in the garbage a Canon multifunction that refused ton work as a SCANNER when its ink was empty.<p>If you have the space and print a lot of black and white, buy an eight year old used HP LaserJet with an Ethernet interface.
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csomarabout 9 years ago
Multi-function inkjet printers are a Scam. No, I&#x27;m serious.<p>1. The printing functionality is flawed. A cartridge will not last for more than 100 pages. (I tried Epson, HP and Canon).<p>2. The cartridge will dry and not function after a few weeks only.<p>3. The original cartridge cost almost as much as a new printer with the cartridge.<p>4. The printer will not function (Scanner or Fax) without the full cartridges (black and colours).<p>5. They are buggy and noisy as hell.
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StreamBrightabout 9 years ago
Reminds me of:<p>&quot;I am going to spend the rest of my career focusing on the hard problems of computer science: printers, projectors, and screen sharing.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;britt&#x2F;status&#x2F;611996866146779136" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;britt&#x2F;status&#x2F;611996866146779136</a>
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sonecaabout 9 years ago
Honest question: Why printers are so stuck in time? Why no great innovations? Why there is no product out there that &quot;Just work&quot; and won the Market?<p>I never heard of startups making printers, not even those dreamy kickstart projects.<p>Why we have this product that annoy People for ages and no one fix it? Anyone could give me any insight?
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tdicolaabout 9 years ago
Get a cheap consumer black and white laser printer and never look back. I can&#x27;t think of any time I&#x27;ve needed or wanted to print color. For photos and such send them off to be printed with real photo printers.
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danboltabout 9 years ago
I don&#x27;t own a printer, and I feel like when I have to print something I usually employ one of the following strategies:<p>1) Going to an office supply store, library, or university with the PDF of what I need to print on a USB drive.<p>2) My workplace providing a printer for work-related printing.<p>I can imagine good reasons why someone would need to own a printer, but it seems almost like a car these days. If you don&#x27;t want to deal with one, and you can live your life effectively without, it might be better to rely on services to print for you.
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zannyabout 9 years ago
I pretty much exclusively buy Epson XP-420&#x27;s nowadays. What other all-in-one option is there that meets the following criteria?<p>1. Complete and free Linux support<p>2. Wireless<p>3. Affordable - remember, we are competing with a printer that regularly retails for $40 and whose cartridges cost around $10 per set. &quot;Just buy the $200 Brother with $40 a set toner&quot; isn&#x27;t satisfactory to the people I recommend printers to.<p>HP printers are known to be draconian with their cartridge DRM, and their Linux support is kind of a PITA with how they use their own protocol and suite of tools and every HP printer I have tried has never played nice with Cups management.
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dpcanabout 9 years ago
This is not unique to Epson, so if you go out an buy an HP thinking you&#x27;ll be safe... do your research first.<p>I have an HP Officejet 6700 Premium right behind me that works the exact same way. If I run out of Magenta, it won&#x27;t even print in black.<p>I&#x27;ve been thinking of trying to find a way to inject some water or something into the empty cartridges to trick it. The strange thing is - I almost never print in color, yet somehow, I run out of color ink. I don&#x27;t get it. And it&#x27;s costing me way more than I want to spend to print.
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elorantabout 9 years ago
Has anyone tried Epson’s Ink Tank series? They have a ridiculously low cost per page, with new inks costing as low as $5&#x2F;bottle. I’m thinking of buying one to replace my aging Lexmark E-232 which has printed more than 70k pages without a hitch.
8jefabout 9 years ago
How hard would it be to hack an open source printer hardware, say using some standard black toner cartriges (any brand), and make a Kickstarter out of it?
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m0lluskabout 9 years ago
Epson recently found through customer research that anxiety about ink cartridges was one of their biggest problems and so they are launching printers with refillable ink tanks, currently available in the form of the Epson EcoTank L355. Given that the company has understood this problem and released products to address it it seems that never buying Epson printers might be an incorrect response.
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alanfranzoniabout 9 years ago
1) That&#x27;s not just Epson. Many manufacturers do that. 2) That&#x27;s a cheap consumer all-in-one. You&#x27;re buying a subsidized product which pays for itself via expensive ink cartridges. Requiring all of them in order to print is called &quot;leverage&quot;. It&#x27;s at least ten years that such products exist - if you didn&#x27;t know, it may be your fault as well. 3) Want a reliable printer with a decent cost per page? Aim at the SOHO market, at least. There you won&#x27;t get a subsidized price, and printers would actually need to print more than 10 pages per month - hence the higher price tag.<p>Just an example: I&#x27;ve got an Epson Workforce Pro 5620. It&#x27;s an inkjet, color all-in-one printer with double sided printing and scanning. It works great, the price-per-page using original Epson cartridges is on par with most non-heavy duty color laser printers (i.e. those in the $400-$600 range) but it&#x27;s much cheaper ($280 on Amazon right now).<p>Don&#x27;t cry for something we all know about.
marijnabout 9 years ago
Hahah, you think the other vendors are better?<p>At least the Epson stuff I&#x27;ve owned is easy to install with Linux and doesn&#x27;t break after a few months of use (contrary to various Canon and HP devices). If there exists a non-terrible printer manufacturer (in a consumer budget range) do tell me.
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e-nouriabout 9 years ago
Epson printers still require you to have the 4 cartridge even if you want to just print in black !
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mchahnabout 9 years ago
Not too long ago I bought a cheap printer (don&#x27;t remember the brand), took it home, and returned it after seeing the horrible quality of the print. Then I brought home another cheap printer of a different brand, had the same experience, and returned that.<p>The reason I was buying cheap printers is that they were the only ones locally available, other than one very expensive model, the epson XP800. Apparently the market has been shrunk to only people that don&#x27;t care about quality. They give the printer away and make a killing on the ink.<p>In the end I bought the expensive Epson and have been very happy with it. I&#x27;m not happy about the state of the market though.
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atroynabout 9 years ago
Is there room in the market for a &#x27;prosumer&#x27; printer, something like the OnePlus of printers?<p>Along with non-apple laptops and notebooks, printers seem to be one of the things people complain about the most.
t3raabout 9 years ago
To the author : It&#x27;s 2016 if you still insist on buying original cartridges you seriously need to start to Google better options.<p>Injects can be refilled at home with a simple injection and syringe! All you need to buy is some good quality ink from eBay (or aliexpress)<p>If not that There are &quot;compatible oem cartridges&quot; at 1&#x2F;4 the cost available EVERYWHERE!<p>or if you do the slightest bit of printing : Invest in a CISS (Continuous ink supply system).. Even Epson makes original CISS systems.
8jefabout 9 years ago
How hard would that be to hack together some printer harware and make it a Kickstarter?
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vardumpabout 9 years ago
I don&#x27;t currently have a printer. I think I&#x27;d want an economic laser printer. Probably going to print less than 50 pages per month.<p>Needs to work fine under Linux.<p>Any suggestions?
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jrapdx3about 9 years ago
Having owned more printers than I can remember, including Epson, Brother, Ricoh, Tektronix, HP, using laser, inkjet, and even other technologies, I think there are a few conclusions to draw:<p>+ For printing <i>documents</i> laser printers are by far the best choice for reliability, economy and quality of output. Color lasers have become quite reasonably priced, so if color printing is needed, no need to get something less.<p>+ For <i>photos</i>, nothing beats a high-quality pigment inkjet printer, but they can be expensive, especially large-format models.<p>About 12 years ago I bought an Epson Pro 4000, with 17x22in capability, it was at the time used leading edge tech. It required 8 ink cartridges. I preferred the 220 ml size, but those cost ~$100 each. The main problem with the 4000 was the heads clogging easily, a big annoyance and costly too.<p>But the Pro 4000 made absolutely gorgeous prints. Now it needs to be replaced, though spending &gt;$2000 is not a pleasant prospect. Newer machines no doubt have much better print heads, probably lower TCO.<p>AS many here point out, small desktop inkjets can be expensive to operate and document output quality is often poor vs. laser.<p>+ It&#x27;s been pretty consistent, printers and printer drivers cause 90% of system admin problems. Windows has always been by far the worst on this score. Amazingly, I had tremendous issues with a 6 year old Ricoh under Windows, but absolutely no driver problems with Linux. The customary Postscript-based printing in the Unix world is a predictable standard and usually easy to work with.<p>Many laser printers have built-in Postscript emulation, though a PS option for high-end printers or plotters can cost upward of $1000. Still might be worth it to avoid the Windows printer driver hell.
chopsabout 9 years ago
I have one major use-case for (very cheap) inkjet printers: on the beach. I run a non-trivial number of beach volleyball tournaments[1], and the beach is not a terribly hospitable place for electronics.<p>So I carry with me a cheap printer that&#x27;s light to carry. If it takes a fast-moving ball that breaks off a part, or it gets overloaded with sand, dust, destroyed by rain, whatever, it&#x27;s no skin off my back, since it was just $30.<p>So far the same crappy printer has been serving me for about 4 years in this capacity.<p>Toting around a laser printer would be a huge pain in the ass.<p>Otherwise, I&#x27;m completely onboard with the overarching sentiment: there&#x27;s not a lot of reason to own an inkjet printer.<p>[1] My flagship product (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bracketpal.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bracketpal.com</a>) is a tournament management system, and beach volleyball is the niche I focus primarily on.
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xemokaabout 9 years ago
This isn&#x27;t just consumer grade printers. At work we have a number of large scale plotters and they all stink. Our main is a HP DesignJet T1300 44-inch wide plotter. Even it refuses to print if any of the 6 inks are too low or the heads are &#x27;needing to be replaced&#x27;.<p>The software on it is absolutely brutal too, it has a resistive touch screen as it&#x27;s primary input and it&#x27;s incredibly slow to page through. On top of that, if you try to speed things along (for example, pre-opening the paper roll cover before manually paging through to the &#x27;replace paper&#x27; menu link) it will complain and refuse to do what you ask until you start back at the beginning.<p>I have had nothing but trouble, and these are multi-thousand dollar printers.
jafingiabout 9 years ago
Printers (for consumers) need development. They still function like the old days with all the bad stuff comes with that.<p>I personally just have a B&amp;W Dell laserprinter that cost almost nothing. It&#x27;s fast, prints everytime, and one cartridge lasts very long time.<p>Before my Dell, I had a 3-in-1 HP printer. It was the worst printer I&#x27;ve ever had. Paper jammed all the time. And half of the time it wouldn&#x27;t pick up the paper, and told that there was no paper in it even though the paper tray was completely full. And those problems started on day one.<p>I&#x27;m still looking forward to seeing a printer that&#x27;s really useful and user friendly. Silent. Easy to replace cartridges. One that doesn&#x27;t jam paper every second page. we need the iPhone of printers.
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gerbillyabout 9 years ago
I have an Apple Laserwriter 12&#x2F;640 PS, bought in 1997 and still going strong.<p>I think the guts of it are actually Lexmark.<p>I have to hack the driver for it on new versions of OS X, but it runs fine without it.<p>It&#x27;s just to control some of the optional print features.
agumonkeyabout 9 years ago
I only very lately learned that you could attempt some hackish head cleaning with warm purified water. By pouring it in place of colored ink, it&#x27;s supposed to melt dried stuck ink clogging the head.<p>I had a Lexmark S605[1], unfortunately the black side of the head got clogged, making it almost useless, unless cheating by printing in blue.<p>[1] the best AIO wireless printer I had. Solid build, not noisy, consistent throughput. My mother had to buy a quick replacement, a HP envy4500, it&#x27;s a cheap piece of crap. Even the motors sucks. Slow, noisy, random.
mbellabout 9 years ago
I haven&#x27;t owned a printer in probably 10 years and I&#x27;m not particularly young (32).<p>I get their usefulness in some aspects of business operations but I&#x27;m a bit at a loss as to why an individual would purchase one.<p>What are the use cases now? The only two I can think of are printing photos, which I get but it seems better handled either through a photo printer or an outside service or for printing &#x27;offical&#x27; documents to fill out manually, but I&#x27;ve completed many such transactions by digitally filling out and signing a pdf.
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largelargefirmabout 9 years ago
Well, the printer manual probably says, like mine does: &quot;Install all ink cartridges; otherwise, you cannot print&quot;.<p>But in my Epson XP-200, if my black cartidge runs out, it tells me that I can use a &#x27;composite black&#x27; mode where it blends the ink from the colour cartridges to form black. And vice versa - when the colour ink runs out and black ink still remains, you can continue printing temporarily with black ink only.<p>So there are always those options if you need to get something printed.
LarryMade2about 9 years ago
Epson - If its not chipped ink cartridges its vacuum tubes on their print-heads.<p>Canon, the print head or logic board dies and unless you replace one and it works or fails you don&#x27;t know which - sorry.<p>HP - built like a tank - ink priced like mil-spec.<p>Dell&#x2F;Lexmark shiny logo in place of compatibility.<p>Never buy a network printer without an LCD display to read error messages&#x2F;input IP addresses.<p>Beware of printers that can&#x27;t use card stock - at all (Yeah, Canon, you and your latest inkjets).<p>Might try Brother next.
Sir_Substanceabout 9 years ago
I use printers so infrequently, it&#x27;s usually easier to use the work or public library printer when I need to rather than maintain ink cartridges. They usually go dry before I use them, I typically print less than 10 pages a year.<p>For the record, it&#x27;s always government paperwork. Always. If you work for government, I have this super-neat thing called Flask to tell you about, you&#x27;re gonna lose your shit when you find out!
innocentoldguyabout 9 years ago
I hate printers in general. After all these years, manufacturers still haven&#x27;t come up with a standard communication interface that would allow me to just plug in the printer and have my OS detect and use it without issue. Instead, especially with Epson printers, I have to download some awful crap-ware driver, which supports all OS versions up to the one right before the one I&#x27;m currently running.
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soyiuzabout 9 years ago
My HP LaserJet 1020 has been chugging away for 10+ years on $11 refilled cartridges that yield around 2k monochrome pages. It just might last ten more!
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bbcbasicabout 9 years ago
I wonder if 3d printers will go the same way. You&#x27;re 24 carat gold reel is a little low so I am not going to let you print plastic. Muwhhaahaa!
sdenton4about 9 years ago
With all of the hype and excitement for 3d printers, I always have the many failings of 2d printers itching at the back of my brain...
wfunctionabout 9 years ago
This isn&#x27;t really a new thing, it&#x27;s been like this for over a decade. It&#x27;s why Epson printers are so cheap; they make their money on the cartridges. I&#x27;ve had better luck with HP in general (Officejet), though I don&#x27;t know how good each particular model is so some may be worse.
KiDDabout 9 years ago
I purchased a Xerox Phaser 6100 Color Laser Printer for $30 on Craigslist. Only problem is there are no drivers for OS X... Course it had %70 toner still and I don&#x27;t look forward to having to replace the toner but at least are all separate colors and can be replaced separately!
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roflchoppaabout 9 years ago
Hardware startup - non-shity printers, use any cartridge you want. PRO-FEATURE use a balled point pen.
decasteveabout 9 years ago
I had an Epson 3800 photo printer. It once ran out of ink in the middle of a print and stopped mid-stream. I replaced the cartridge and it started back as if not missing a beat.<p>Paying more upfront for a printer saves you in the long run. Avoid cheap multi-function printers like the plague.
capoteabout 9 years ago
We&#x27;re all getting trolled by the printer companies. Look at this thread.
Tempest1981about 9 years ago
And you know that some high-paid exec decided it was a good idea to refuse to print when low on ink... &quot;to ensure quality&quot; and uphold the brand name. Haha - it had the opposite effect.
th0br0about 9 years ago
The same goes for HP OfficeJets (or at least mine ... 8600 Pro)
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jgalt212about 9 years ago
In general, I agree with all the ant-inkjet comments.<p>That being said, I&#x27;ve yet to see a laser printer with grayscale rendering approaching that of a garden variety inkjet.
owlyabout 9 years ago
Lasers only. It&#x27;s really the only way to go, especially if you only print occasionally. They last forever compared to ink jets.
jokoonabout 9 years ago
Well don&#x27;t buy inkjet printers.<p>Although manufacturers might pick up on that and start doing the same for laser printers...
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tambourine_manabout 9 years ago
Can&#x27;t this be hacked in the drivers?<p>I remember loving Gutenprint (née Gimp-Print) back when I printed
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