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Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

204 pointsby maibaumabout 9 years ago

28 comments

DoubleMaltabout 9 years ago
What I find reassuring in the midst of this tragic mayhem however, is how little actual damage the terrorists could do.<p>They had explosives, weapons, the resolve to sacrifice themselves and tried their best to do as much damage as possible. And they managed to to kill less than 30 people (provisional count).<p>Of course every death that brought on by this fanatic mob is too much, but we should keep our perspective.<p>A bus accident in Spain last week left 11 exchange students dead, in the US alone every day more than 50 people die in road accidents.<p>Of course we should root out the people that try to bomb our freedom away. But don&#x27;t let us be terrorized by something that doesn&#x27;t make a statistically recognizable dent in our probability for survival.
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dmichulkeabout 9 years ago
As sad as it is, I think the responses will be:<p>- we need more surveillance rights and money for the secret services<p>- we need more police and higher spending<p>- and possibly bomb some country (Syria is en vogue)<p>What won&#x27;t be said is:<p>- How come this happens <i>again</i> without anyone having seen it coming?<p>- What does it say about the success of the Western anti-terror foreign policy adopted ~2001?
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themartoranaabout 9 years ago
This is a mess larger than I can comprehend, with scores of innocent dead. The spectrum of political issues this crosses is vast. We&#x27;re talking nationalism, immigration, religion, extremism, surveillance, privacy, and war to name a few.<p>The nuance required to understand and attack the big picture is almost nowhere to be found.<p>I saw the French PM said something like &quot;we&#x27;re at war&quot; - I&#x27;m not sure who they&#x27;re at war <i>with</i> but onward with the endless war.<p>I&#x27;ve seen plenty of comments about ISIS. It&#x27;s like a 99.999% chance it&#x27;s not ISIS - maybe Al Qaeda, maybe a different extremist group. (For <i>why</i> it&#x27;s probably not ISIS and one of the most fantastic explanations of the what&#x27;s and whys of ISIS, see [0].) But it shows just how vastly uneducated most people are about the issues that lead to attacks like this.<p>This breeds calls for extremism in response, like expelling all Muslims (and can only help Trump&#x27;s campaign) or comments like the one from the French PM above.<p>I can&#x27;t imagine being in charge of trying to address all of the underlying issues that feed into attacks like this. And I don&#x27;t know that those in charge are up to the task.<p>[0] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2015&#x2F;03&#x2F;what-isis-really-wants&#x2F;384980&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2015&#x2F;03&#x2F;what-isi...</a><p>Edit: ISIS <i>inspired</i> maybe, but not ISIS planned and backed. &quot;During his visit to Mosul in December, Jürgen Todenhöfer interviewed a portly German jihadist and asked whether any of his comrades had returned to Europe to carry out attacks. The jihadist seemed to regard returnees not as soldiers but as dropouts. “The fact is that the returnees from the Islamic State should repent from their return,” he said. “I hope they review their religion.”&quot;<p>I always stand to be corrected.
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plehouxabout 9 years ago
&quot;2 bombs exploded close to where I was sitting, so scary.&quot; - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;lrz&#x2F;status&#x2F;712173581103448064" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;lrz&#x2F;status&#x2F;712173581103448064</a><p>&quot;Bombs at Brussels airport. I&#x27;m alive but I think there are casualties.&quot; - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;lrz&#x2F;status&#x2F;712173286281650176" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;lrz&#x2F;status&#x2F;712173286281650176</a><p>Laurent Sansonetti MacRuby &amp; RubyMotion&#x27;s creator and lead developer was near the blast.
coldcodeabout 9 years ago
People always freak out when this happens. As long as there have been people with enough hate (or often political motives) there has always been terrorist attacks. Even the Romans suffered as much.<p>I don&#x27;t think there is any solution which makes everyone perfectly safe. Politicians always want to guarantee perfect safety but it&#x27;s not possible. Some things you can prevent, some things you can stop, but some horrible thing will inevitably happen.
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matthewaveryusaabout 9 years ago
We havent seen a group of 50 militants take over a city and reck havoc because our surveillance systems can detect such levels of organization. As horrible as this sounds, anyone with an IQ above 60 can plot and kill 30 people because there&#x27;s not enough signal in the vast noise our communication networks generate to pick up on it. If we can prevent terrorist attacks that kill thousands of individuals we&#x27;ve won.
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elcapitanabout 9 years ago
Belgium hasn&#x27;t had stable governments for many years, with many observers, especially in the aftermath of the Paris attacks, calling it a &#x27;failed state&#x27;. I read an article about that a while ago, couldn&#x27;t find it directly, but I found this one: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politico.eu&#x2F;article&#x2F;belgium-failed-state-security-services-molenbeek-terrorism&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politico.eu&#x2F;article&#x2F;belgium-failed-state-security...</a>
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plumaabout 9 years ago
My first visceral reaction was &quot;Fuck it, just kill them all and bomb them back to stone age&quot;. I know I&#x27;m not alone on this -- the recent rise of nationalism, isolationism, Euro-scepticism and hostility towards refugees all over Europe is painful evidence for this sentiment.<p>But it&#x27;s important to understand that these feelings are what such attacks are intended to invoke. They&#x27;re intended to harden the gap between &quot;us&quot; and &quot;them&quot;, to make Westerners despise anyone who looks conveniently foreign enough to be suspicious of belonging to &quot;them&quot; and to use them as scapegoats for the perpetrators who have often already escaped justice through death.<p>These atrocities weren&#x27;t committed by &quot;Muslims&quot; just like the atrocities in the UK during the Troubles were not committed by &quot;Christians&quot;. The perpetrators were individuals -- even if they belonged to a group that group wasn&#x27;t &quot;Muslims&quot;, it most likely wasn&#x27;t even &quot;ISIS&quot;; just a small group of like-minded dangerous individuals who were convinced they would aid mankind by committing atrocities like these.<p>In so far as certain ideologies led to these convictions it is important to understand that you can&#x27;t kill ideas with weapons. Yes, where there are armies fighting for dangerous ideologies they need to be stopped, but where you can&#x27;t even clearly distinguish the soldiers from the civilians you need to destroy the ideology, not the people.<p>But unlike people, ideologies are very difficult to destroy and take a long time to fully extinguish. And in times like these it&#x27;s far too easy to fall prey to politicians promising fast satisfaction rather than a long-term strategy towards a shift in ideologies.<p>We need to embrace our humanity and liberties. We have already had our period of enlightenment and we have overcome totalitarianism and theocracy. We must not allow ourselves to regress to the dark age, no matter how appealing it may seem in times like these -- neither here in Europe, nor oversees in the US.
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Cenkabout 9 years ago
Facebook has activated Safety Check. — <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.facebook.com&#x2F;safetycheck&#x2F;brusselsexplosions-march2016&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.facebook.com&#x2F;safetycheck&#x2F;brusselsexplosions-marc...</a><p>I guess it’s official. Facebook Safety Check is for terrorist attacks in white, western countries only. Good to know.<p>Edit: I was wrong and I take back what I said: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Facebook_Safety_Check#Other_deployments" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Facebook_Safety_Check#Other_de...</a>
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vigilantabout 9 years ago
How can technology help prevent such attacks without infringing on the basic right to privacy?<p>Perhaps some sort of real time image recognition of video streams from major public areas (like airports), which can detect things like guns and unattended packages and alert authorities automatically? Of course, that doesn&#x27;t help detect the suicide bomber scenario.<p>Automatic facial recognition of known criminals? That would be hugely open to abuse.
ikeboyabout 9 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;hJm1m" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;hJm1m</a>
andremendesabout 9 years ago
Could someone provide a link to a not paywalled version? Going through google didn&#x27;t helped.
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altotreesabout 9 years ago
Today is the first time since 9&#x2F;11 that I can remember hearing the news of a terrorist attack and not being gripped by panic. I guess the Boston Marathon Bombings, Paris Attacks (Charlie Hebdo and Bataclan both) shootings and other events have kind of led me being in an oddly calm state when I hear news like this now.<p>This is not the way I want to feel. If you would&#x27;ve told me around 8:30 a.m. on September 10th the way things would be changed, I couldn&#x27;t have fathomed it. I was sitting in my high school Spanish class, trying to get the attention of a girl who probably doesn&#x27;t even remember my name now. But things changed and I kind of came into my own with those changes, growing up, going to college, getting one job, then another. It became normal.<p>Data is the buzzword now. I eat it and breathe it every single day. I work with collections of numbers and information. These are the same things that keep us safe from attacks - collections numbers and information. The NSA and others rely on it. For every attack we hear about, I cannot even venture a guess on how many are thwarted.<p>Given that numbers and information are critical tools in trying to prevent future tragedies, I struggle with the same question we all do: how much is too much? What do I want to let the government know about me? About my family? About where I travel and when? Is there an inevitable trade-off between safety and privacy?<p>I think abut these things at work, at home, while driving. It seems now that we are facing a new breed of terror that has evolved, even since 2001. It is calculated yet seemingly random, completely lawless yet in their eyes the only lawful way to live, more violent, vile and sadistic any other terrorist cell I have heard about.<p>So you would think, given the way I feel about this new iteration of terror, and the struggle I have with personal privacy questions, I would&#x27;ve been paralyzed with anxiety this morning, seeking meaning, trying to configure a strategy in my head for how the governments involved will deal with it and prevent future attacks.<p>But I did not feel or do those things. I poured my coffee and walked out the door. Of course I feel horrible for the poor innocent lives lost, but as far as worrying and obsessing about it, I just cannot. This is not how I want to feel. I fear that my not panicking signals attacks like this as a new normal for me, something my 17 year-old self never could&#x27;ve or would&#x27;ve wanted to imagine. Thanks everyone for sharing thoughts and insights on this, I think it is helping me process yet another attack in my own way.
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mtgxabout 9 years ago
Hopefully this doesn&#x27;t end up as another call to &quot;be united&quot;. I&#x27;ve seen how the governments in question abuse that. If they get all the support they need, then they start doing awful things, even illegal things against European laws and whatnot. But because the countries are &quot;united&quot;, nobody says anything anymore.<p>What we need is to <i>think this through</i>, which also means <i>challenging</i> conventional wisdom, not just be &quot;be united in following whatever said government wants to do&quot;.
spriggan3about 9 years ago
So what will the excuse be ,manufactured by pundits on the other side of the Atlantic this time ? &quot;Belgium didn&#x27;t integrate these people well&quot; &#x2F;s ? just like for Paris ?
r721about 9 years ago
Other discussions:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11334908" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11334908</a> (67 comments)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11335167" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11335167</a> (79 comments)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11335518" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11335518</a> (115 comments)
eisabout 9 years ago
I wonder why this important event is getting not many upvotes and also ranks lower than other stories with less upvotes but older.<p>Is it getting flagged for being off-topic?
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jackgaviganabout 9 years ago
Presented without comment: <i>&quot;This is a solid Moment to get up to speed on the Brussels situation. Click the follow button to stay in the loop.&quot;</i> - @sacca<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;sacca&#x2F;status&#x2F;712270790037610499" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;sacca&#x2F;status&#x2F;712270790037610499</a>
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amaiabout 9 years ago
Erdogan knew it was coming: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rt.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;336769-erdogan-warning-brussels-attacks&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rt.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;336769-erdogan-warning-brussels-atta...</a>
protomythabout 9 years ago
The BBC is once again doing their live update site: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;live&#x2F;world-europe-35869266" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;live&#x2F;world-europe-35869266</a>
mtgxabout 9 years ago
Relevant:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wnyc.org&#x2F;story&#x2F;breaking-news-consumers-handbook-terrorism-edition&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wnyc.org&#x2F;story&#x2F;breaking-news-consumers-handbook-...</a>
sydneysiderabout 9 years ago
I wonder how long it will take for people to connect the dots... Meanwhile Europe has no borders, massive security risk which we are only beginning to see the consequences of.
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0x4a42about 9 years ago
A third bomb exploded just now.
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fweespee_chabout 9 years ago
<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bigstory.ap.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;511cf974eea64581814f9777a40f0fd6&#x2F;explosion-heard-brussels-airport" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bigstory.ap.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;511cf974eea64581814f9777a40f0...</a><p>If you want a link without a paywall.
t0mkabout 9 years ago
Why is this on Hacker News? There are ten other channels through which people will get this message.
rplntabout 9 years ago
The comments there are... as expected I guess.
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HemanHeartYouabout 9 years ago
Riveting tech news right here.
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xchaoticabout 9 years ago
The more coverage this gets, the more you feed the terrorist troll.
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