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SoundCloud launches Go: a subscription service

140 pointsby radiusvectorabout 9 years ago

23 comments

dominotwabout 9 years ago
I used to use soundcloud all the time but switched to &#x27;Discover weekely&#x27; on Spotify, like the author of the article. Spotify hit it out of park with Discover weekly.<p>One downside of spotify is still discoverability, discover weekly doesn&#x27;t introduce you to completely new kinds of music, it sticks to what you already like. You are on you own to introduce randomness into spotify&#x27;s discovery algorithms.<p>I think Rdio had that right idea here. I was discovering much more new music when I was with Rdio than with Spotify. Spotify leans heavily towards what is popular.
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_jomoabout 9 years ago
SoundCloud Go is not available in Germany. It&#x27;s kind of ironic given it&#x27;s a Berlin, Germany based company.<p>I wonder if this is due to GEMA preventing them from offering Go for an acceptable price. Unfortunately many services (including YouTube) have this problem.
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6stringmercabout 9 years ago
I&#x27;m trying to find out if there&#x27;s any announcement by SoundCloud about paying non-RIAA affiliated independents. Yeah yeah I&#x27;m pretty sure it&#x27;s a <i>Nope</i> but it&#x27;d be nice to look into. At least Spotify pays. And Apple pays. And Google pays. And Deezr pays. And Tidal pays...<p>Can we please link to an article that doesn&#x27;t have an egregious pop-up that blocks my screen every two paragraphs? This isn&#x27;t an exclusive article or subject. Even the AP has a write-up: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;abcnews.go.com&#x2F;Entertainment&#x2F;wireStory&#x2F;soundcloud-expands-mainstream-paid-streaming-plan-37999375" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;abcnews.go.com&#x2F;Entertainment&#x2F;wireStory&#x2F;soundcloud-exp...</a>
JonFish85about 9 years ago
Taking on Spotify seems like an odd choice to me. To me it would seem that Spotify has a huge fight ahead of it, even though it has raised well over a billion dollars at this point. They&#x27;re fighting against the platforms that already exist: Apple Music &amp; Google Play. Apple Music offers basically the same thing except with tighter integration with their hardware (and iTunes for buying the songs that artists don&#x27;t allow to be streamed), as does Google Play.<p>It seems to me that Spotify is fighting an uphill battle saddled with an enormous valuation ($10b-ish I believe?); SoundCloud really wants to fight against them for whoever is left after Google &amp; Apple? And, through all of this, Spotify &amp; SoundCloud are paying a huge chunk of their mobile revenue directly to their competitors (Apple&#x2F;Google stores). It doesn&#x27;t sound like a space that I want to be in!
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k-mcgradyabout 9 years ago
&gt;&gt; &quot;Eventually, everyone from DJs to podcasters will be able to monetize the same way, though the system is invite-only for now.&quot;<p>I&#x27;m not holding my breath. Overtime SoundCloud releases something cool it&#x27;s only available to people they invite and never seems to become available to everyone.<p>On top of that I just tried to signup for Go - not available in my country (UK) so I&#x27;m guessing, as usual, US only. Pretty sucky for a company based in Germany.
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owenwilabout 9 years ago
While I like SoundCloud a lot, what the hell have they been up to for the last few years? From where I&#x27;m sitting Spotify, Apple Music and many more out-innovated them and SoundCloud did... well, nothing.
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kdamkenabout 9 years ago
I&#x27;m not sure I see what this is really offering customers. It seems like just another paywell for creators to put their content behind. While that&#x27;s good for them, as a consumer I don&#x27;t really have much motivation to sign up for another streaming service when I already pay for Spotify.<p>If an artist is on Spotify, great, I&#x27;ll listen to their songs a bunch and they&#x27;ll make a little money off of me. If it&#x27;s a group I haven&#x27;t heard much of before and they&#x27;re good, I&#x27;ll probably get more into them and end up seeing them when they tour in my area.<p>If they put themselves exclusively behind another service (<i>cough</i> Kanye West <i>cough</i> Tidal), I&#x27;ll be forced to find other ways to listen to the album, which will likely be less than profitable for the artist.
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sarrephabout 9 years ago
I was really hoping that they wouldn&#x27;t have to pivot into competing with Spotify (somewhat indirectly, although that is TBD depending on what deals they&#x27;ve signed).<p>Here&#x27;s hoping that the mention of an <i>indie</i> library hints towards a more interesting slant on what exactly subscribers get access to. For example, it would be cool if there was a way to monetise un-signed or newly-signed artists rather than mainstream Spotify territory.
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kogepathicabout 9 years ago
This would explain why they have removed the local cache option in their Android app.<p>In previous versions, you could select how much content to cache locally on the device, up to 100%. This meant if you listened to a song once, you could listen to it again offline.<p>From using their app now, and the website (non-mobile) it seems they have removed all caching completely.<p>Anyway, it&#x27;s absolutely trivial to download the raw songs (MP3) from SoundCloud using Developer Tools in your favourite browser. It&#x27;s not the highest quality, but since SoundCloud is 90% user contributed tracks, the original quality is often questionable anyway.<p>I see no added value from this service. Just download the songs as MP3 files and listen to them, offline and ad free!
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alistproducer2about 9 years ago
Not that I&#x27;m opposed to Soundcloud charging money, but I&#x27;ve been concerned with what happens to all that cool music if&#x2F;when the business model fails.<p>I&#x27;ve been dreaming up a way to use ipfs, ethereum, and other distributed tech to create a user-owned, cryptocurrency sustained soundcloud that would persist. for anyone interested, I&#x27;ve got a rough use case disagram here <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;drive.google.com&#x2F;file&#x2F;d&#x2F;0B4gkEhfnwSVBZDE5TGtSUFlmYWc&#x2F;view?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;drive.google.com&#x2F;file&#x2F;d&#x2F;0B4gkEhfnwSVBZDE5TGtSUFlmYWc...</a>
oldmanhortonabout 9 years ago
This would be appealing if the Soundcloud apps (including web) werent so atrocious. Navigating through your collection on Android is a mess, and the webapp shows as few as 2 tracks on a full laptop screen (while eating up gigabytes of RAM after only casual listening). I still love how the webapp &quot;shuffle&quot; mode will only shuffle through the songs already loaded by the client, so its just a mix of your most recent 25 or 50 songs.
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cableshaftabout 9 years ago
&quot;If you’re an iOS user, it’ll cost more, with the company charging $12.99 for signups to account for Apple’s mandatory 30 percent cut.&quot;<p>I&#x27;d be a little surprised if Apple will allow them to do this. It&#x27;s kind of like credit card companies requiring stores to charge the same price regardless of if you use the credit card (which has fees) instead of cash (which doesn&#x27;t). Charging different prices is a negative signal for Apple&#x27;s ecosystem (&quot;Why can I get this cheaper if I have an Android phone? Maybe I want an Android phone instead next time....&quot;)<p>While I might argue that the negative signal shoooould exist, I&#x27;m surprised Apple doesn&#x27;t have it in its terms that you can&#x27;t do that if you want your app on the Apple App Store.<p>Also, could we please amend the title? It&#x27;s not a flat $12.99 a month for everyone, and it doesn&#x27;t even match the headline on the actual article.
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jupp0rabout 9 years ago
The actual offering left aside, the naming is quite unfortunate.
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bborudabout 9 years ago
If soundcloud has mended their ways with regard to allowing takedowns etc by third parties, this hasn&#x27;t really been communicated all that well.<p>I used to be a paying customer, but I ditched the service after they allowed Universal to harass their users. That&#x27;s a while ago though, and I haven&#x27;t been paying much attention to Soundcloud since.<p>Have they shaped up or should I still avoid them?
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alistproducer2about 9 years ago
Not that I&#x27;m opposed to Soundcloud charging money, but I&#x27;ve been concerned with what happens to all that cool music if&#x2F;when the business model fails.<p>I&#x27;ve been dreaming up a way to use ipfs, ethereum, and other distributed tech to create a user-owned, cryptocurrency sustained soundcloud that would persist.<p>for anyone interested, I&#x27;ve got a rough use case disagram here <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;drive.google.com&#x2F;file&#x2F;d&#x2F;0B4gkEhfnwSVBZDE5TGtSUFlmYWc&#x2F;view?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;drive.google.com&#x2F;file&#x2F;d&#x2F;0B4gkEhfnwSVBZDE5TGtSUFlmYWc...</a>
Artistry121about 9 years ago
Their competitive advantage will be their unique catalog and social features but Google with YouTube Red already provides a similar catalog and experience. Most remixes I find on Soundcloud I&#x27;ve also been able to find on YouTube and YouTube has more live clips in my experience. Either the brand value of soundcloud is high, it can attract artists to post exclusives on its site or the second-by-second social feature is an important deal or they will have difficulty competing with Google Play&#x2F;YouTube Red and the others.
gypsy_bootsabout 9 years ago
What will be hard for many consumers and artists is that Soundcloud has so many DJ&#x27;s and&#x2F;or podcasters who&#x27;ve been putting out something like a weekly mixtape or podcast for years. Now let&#x27;s say all of the sudden they now put it behind the paywall. Consumers who have gotten used to getting this free content for years will now be irked. I&#x27;m afraid people already equate Soundcloud with great free content, so transitioning to anything else will be difficult.
hnexamazonabout 9 years ago
I am a long-time user of Soundcloud that has recently stepped back from the service. As an EDM enthusiast, the service is the best place for finding up-and-coming talent and great remixes that you can&#x27;t find anywhere else. The killer feature is the personal stream. Once you&#x27;ve started following a large enough pool of artists and labels, there is no better mechanism for wading through the pool of mediocrity to search out those rare gems.<p>Unfortunately, Soundcloud&#x27;s method for organizing your content really breaks down under heavy use. I have over 1000 songs liked, and scrolling through the like list, dynamically fetching ten songs at a time, is a huge pain. Playlist creation and maintenance is even more cumbersome and limited than Spotify, which is saying something.<p>Worst of all, the usefulness of the stream, arguably Soundcloud&#x27;s most unique and valuable listener-facing feature, really breaks down the longer you&#x27;re using the service. Most heavy users I know end up following over a few hundred artists&#x2F;labels&#x2F;channels, accumulated over years of use, and the signal-to-noise ratio becomes unbearable. The sad thing is that the breakdown is purely a UX problem. The webapp is an infinite-scroll nightmare: forcing you to start at the top of the stream every time and fetch tracks 10 at a time. It doesn&#x27;t clean up after itself, so after an hour of slowly chipping away through your feed, the browser gets so slow and unresponsive on my top-spec Macbook Pro that I often give up and don&#x27;t bother trying to listen to new tracks that have been posted to my feed over 18 hours ago. Of course, as I now check Soundcloud less and less frequently, that means I am missing a ton of content.<p>On top of that, due to Soundcloud&#x27;s reputation as solely a promotional tool within the artist community, you end up wading through a ton of 1 - 2 minute previews and other low-quality throwaways, and songs that you like can disappear from the service at any time, without notice. You cannot build a stable music library on top of the service. In fact, I used to have a process where I&#x27;d look for new songs on Soundcloud, and if I found something good, look it up on Spotify and save it within my Spotify collection, because I knew it wouldn&#x27;t just disappear on me after a few months. Once Spotify upped their discovery game and the available EDM content grew, I removed Soundcloud from the process entirely.<p>Soundcloud used to be the best game in town for music discovery, especially EDM, but they let that slip over the last few years of struggling to monetize and Spotify&#x27;s constant progression has now really chipped away that advantage. I&#x27;ve signed up for this GO service, but I highly doubt I&#x27;ll keep it past the 30 day free trial. $10 a month for offline download and removing ads? As far as I can tell, my stream is the same mess as it was before, and they don&#x27;t even distinguish between GO-exclusive and free tracks. I don&#x27;t see anywhere where I can find GO-exclusive tracks within the app at all, actually.<p>New music discovery is hard and the big players (Spotify, Apple Music, Google Play) still haven&#x27;t fully cracked it, at least for specific-niche enthusiasts like myself. When the Soundcloud stream is working well, it is the best interface I&#x27;ve used for finding new music I like, but the complete lack of focus and neglect on that front from this initiative means that I probably won&#x27;t be coming back.
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staticelfabout 9 years ago
How much Spotify cost in the states? As a Swede it costs 99kr which is more than $9. I use Groove and that costs $9 which translates to about 79kr or something like that.<p>It&#x27;s 20% cheaper for a little less content and a not as good client. The lesser price alone makes the service worth it.
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bertiewhykovichabout 9 years ago
The cognitive load of differentiating between everything named &quot;Go&quot; in the tech ecosystem is giving me a migraine.
f_allweinabout 9 years ago
why doesn&#x27;t any music service come up with a less expensive price plan? I would like to try one, but am pretty sure I would not use it so much as to justify paying 10$ (or £) per month. How about a less expensive plan with limited features (e.g. only n hours of music per month)?
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toastkingabout 9 years ago
$12 a month seems a little steep. Especially when compared to Apple Music and Spotify.
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kevandoabout 9 years ago
I regularly avoid soundcloud because I dont want to use my data, so I am very excited about this offline feature