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Why smart people have no friends

31 pointsby nyodeneDabout 9 years ago

15 comments

Broken_Hippoabout 9 years ago
1. Most smart people I&#x27;ve met that have few friends have few because they are freaking weird to normal people, and lots of folks just can&#x27;t tolerate it. I&#x27;m not sure about the asbergers, since a lot of the vague lists I see also apply to other problems, including being socially excluded at a young age - which, coincidentally, many smart folks are.<p>2. Whoever wrote this has had a much better social life than I ever have. I&#x27;m somewhat envious, honestly, and have a lot of trouble figuring out what he&#x27;s complaining about.<p>3. I&#x27;d more liken this to some sort of depression, because it can truly make people not realize they have friends.
jonnathansonabout 9 years ago
I&#x27;m not sure the piece answers the implicit question posed by the headline. This seems less like a general lesson about &quot;Why smart people have no friends,&quot; and more like a personal story from which the author extrapolates generalities. In this case, I found myself relating to a few of the author&#x27;s observations, but seldom agreeing with his conclusions.<p>And that&#x27;s kind of the problem with generalizing from n=1, particularly when n=self. We&#x27;re not all the same. It may in fact be true that smart people have a harder time making friends. (Or it may not be.) But if it is, and we&#x27;re going to make categorical statements about &quot;smart people,&quot; we need to base those statements on something other than personal anecdote -- <i>especially</i> when we suspect that our personal lives are atypical in some way.
halvitiabout 9 years ago
I think this guy gets it wrong, and this has nothing to do with being &#x27;smart&#x27;, but rather sitting somewhere along the aspergers&#x2F;autism spectrum.<p>The one interesting takeaway for me was this:<p>&quot;I realized that the reason people missed me was because they had received positive energy from me. And the reason I didn’t miss them is because I rarely received positive energy from them. But this wasn’t because they didn’t send it. It was because I saw it coming. I expected it, and therefore could never feel real gratitude.&quot;<p>I think he&#x27;s on to something there that a lot of people like him might be doing but not thinking about. How to address this knowledge is left for the reader to determine.
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BEEdwardsabout 9 years ago
What a pointless article, it doesn&#x27;t actually addressed its own headline...
tenkenabout 9 years ago
Ya just replace the word &quot;Smart&quot; with &quot;Autism Spectrum&quot; and you&#x27;ve got a lead on your issues...
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onetimePeteabout 9 years ago
Ever tried to philosophize about unfix-able mindbugs (aka retardations) that every human (including those discussing these) have, in a bar with another smart guy&#x2F;girl? If you are smart you will perceive reality, and many prefer to not do so. For them reality is a insult, and the truth can be voted for with fists and not arguments. And if the arguments are stronger, they would punch Darwin in the face to remain ignorant. They want the benefits of science, but they don&#x27;t want to really go on the full intellectual adventure, with all its insults, its discoverys of weak spots and its inherent uncertainty. You are alone then, because you are alone. You can not friend with someone who can not understand your situation. If you befriend a dog, the dog sets the limits of understanding to which this relationship can grow. The dog will not speculate on quantum physics with you. Well not today. Well not today in every part of the world that is not the valley. I&#x27;m fairly certain. In a way, with all that awesome shared, you have equals. And there obsession, and dedication, is at least a relationship. Not in person. But its not lonely.
orasisabout 9 years ago
The author claims he can&#x27;t feel the positive emotions because he expects what is coming.<p>One can train their brain to avoid this trap. I am a &quot;smart&quot; person, but through Vipassana meditation and gratitude practices, my mind is now more attuned to the novelty and spontaneity of the present moment. It&#x27;s not perfect, but is significantly better than my former clouded way of experiencing.
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dudulabout 9 years ago
Title : Why smart people have no friends<p>Opening line : To this day, I’ve always had trouble making friends.<p>Are we supposed to assume that the author is indeed smart?
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c--misuraabout 9 years ago
I&#x27;m tired of these &quot;I&#x27;m smart X is hard&quot; articles. When I read posts like this I have a nagging feeling that the authors are just as interested in proclaiming their &quot;smartness&quot; as they are in publishing meaningful observations.
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ahoyabout 9 years ago
&quot;7 Reasons Why Introverted Libras Are Actually Geniuses&quot;<p>hard pass
rossdavidhabout 9 years ago
TIL that either I am dumb, or all of my supposed friends are phonies.
coreyp_1about 9 years ago
This describes me.
Hydraulix989about 9 years ago
Like most people on HN, I like to think I&#x27;m at least somewhat &quot;smart&quot; at least by some metrics, so what I&#x27;ve found works is actually &quot;dumbing myself down&quot; by not showing others my intelligence. I&#x27;ve made a lot of &quot;normal&quot; friends that way actually.<p>Here&#x27;s why (written from others&#x27; perspective in the second person):<p>For whatever reason, most people are really put off by you &quot;smart people&quot; -- you&#x27;re &quot;different,&quot; and us humans are evolutionarily wired to be suspicious of things that are &quot;different.&quot;<p>You say things we don&#x27;t understand, or you may challenge our core beliefs, and we humans do not like people like you who say or do things like that -- it immediately incites distrust in you and makes it VERY hard to relate with you. We think you are trying to trick us.<p>You&#x27;re deviating from the &quot;herd&quot; in society through thought, and we&#x27;re a social species, so such deviations come with consequences in the form of ostracization.<p>Your interests are things we don&#x27;t understand (and so we don&#x27;t care about) like &quot;reading,&quot; &quot;coding,&quot; and &quot;mathematics,&quot; and we can&#x27;t get a good read on what you are like as a person, so we (unfortunately) resort to thinking you are arrogant -- that you think you are too good to show us what you&#x27;re truly thinking about.<p>You might have used your intelligence to make money, now you&#x27;re just another rich asshole, etc...<p>For all of these reasons, we feel &quot;inferior&quot; to you, because like most people, we feel very insecure about ourselves and where we fit in society. Thus, we are overly sensitive to anything you say that might even remotely imply that you are smarter than us. &quot;That guy just used a &#x27;big word,&#x27; he&#x27;s full of himself.&quot; And we&#x27;re jealous that you have something that we don&#x27;t have because you are smart. We think you are happier than we are and have a better life than us (even though you actually aren&#x27;t) because &quot;the grass is greener.&quot;<p>-- and then there&#x27;s the philistine aspect of American culture --<p>It&#x27;s not &quot;cool&quot; to study and be smart &#x27;round these parts. You&#x27;re a &quot;nerd.&quot; We don&#x27;t associate with &quot;nerds&quot; because they will lower our social status.<p>You have trouble relating with us because of your &quot;intelligence,&quot; but we see that as you being aloof or &quot;stuck up.&quot; You think you&#x27;re too good to be our friend (even though it&#x27;s actually an oil and vinegar type mixture -- an incompatibility, if you will).<p>And just throwing it out there, I think a lot of smart people are misdiagnosed as &quot;autism spectrum&quot; because the diagnosing physician&#x2F;psychologist falls more moderately on the &quot;intelligence spectrum&quot; and so is biased by their same visceral &quot;weirded out&quot; reaction to their diagnosee. Either that, or (less likely) autism and intelligence are two sides of the same coin. Or the &quot;disorder&quot; (or should I say, label?) was fabricated because such &quot;intelligence people&quot; -- THOSE people -- MUST have something wrong with them because of all of the above reasons.<p>It&#x27;s also my hypothesis that at least some of the &quot;techie backlash&quot; in San Francisco is the result of the above -- unfortunately, the in-group effects caused by grouping together a lot of &quot;intelligent people&quot; together who suffer from the above ostracization is a perfect storm for dividing a population into &quot;us&quot; and &quot;them&quot; factions, even though, ironically, San Francisco&#x27;s &quot;nativist&quot; population was really formed under similar ideals (i.e. &quot;we&#x27;re the weird ones, come join us&quot;).
jackcnabout 9 years ago
It&#x27;s like I just read a 16-year old girl&#x27;s livejournal. Great stuff HN.
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Disruptive_Daveabout 9 years ago
What did I just read?<p>&gt;If you’ve ever hung out with a bunch of Christians, the first thing you probably notice is that they’re always smiling.<p>What???
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