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Algorithmically generated prior art

127 pointsby dirkk0about 9 years ago

12 comments

ikeboyabout 9 years ago
Ironically, this has already been done.<p>See <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.techdirt.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;20140929&#x2F;08500728662&#x2F;new-company-claims-it-uses-algorithms-to-create-content-faster-than-creators-can-making-all-future-creations-infringing.shtml" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.techdirt.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;20140929&#x2F;08500728662&#x2F;new-c...</a>, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;torrentfreak.com&#x2F;copyright-apocalypse-trolls-attack-the-net-from-the-future-140928&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;torrentfreak.com&#x2F;copyright-apocalypse-trolls-attack-...</a>.<p>Sadly it appears to have died but can still be viewed at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20150109080014&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.qentis.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20150109080014&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.qentis...</a> and <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;w6wLc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;w6wLc</a>
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michael_stormabout 9 years ago
Yeah, a judge is not going to find &quot;prior art&quot; generated by an algorithm sufficient to invalidate a patent. As a political statement, this is fine (though hand-wavy), but silly as a practical solution.<p>Edit: That said, we do need to fix the patent system. The problem, right now, is human: there needs to be political will, effected by people, to persuade Congress to change the laws. An algorithm does not do that.<p>Although it&#x27;s possible this thing is a joke, in which case, well played.
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kaffeinecomaabout 9 years ago
If we can digitally describe something as a sequence of bytes, and we stack those bytes end-to-end, can we not say that the bytes together form a (very large) integer, and that the integer already appears in the set of natural numbers?
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paulgbabout 9 years ago
Neat. The landing page has some examples: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;allpriorart.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;allpriorart.com&#x2F;</a><p>I don&#x27;t think this is intended to actually create prior art that could be used in a patent dispute, but as an art project it&#x27;s well-executed.
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graehamabout 9 years ago
Cool concept as art, but is basically a patent version of infinite monkeys on typewriters hoping to write Shakespeare.<p>That said, with a bit of guideance such as learning&#x2F; feedback and&#x2F;or being routed around an initial framework (perhaps TRIZ or similar <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;TRIZ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;TRIZ</a>), there could be a much higher signal-to-noise ratio. I&#x27;ve seen other attempts at invention through AI or algorithm - as dmritard says, the key to useful invention isn&#x27;t generation, its filtering the noise.<p>Although as others have said, I doubt this would be admissable in court. Randomly generated &#x27;claims&#x27; remain random: one could say in an infinite, random universe, surely every invention has already been created simply by matter composing itself in the approprieate way.
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iolothebardabout 9 years ago
Prior art doesn&#x27;t matter anymore, it&#x27;s first to file.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ipwatchdog.com&#x2F;2011&#x2F;10&#x2F;04&#x2F;prior-art-america-invents-uspto-explains-first-to-file&#x2F;id=19571&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ipwatchdog.com&#x2F;2011&#x2F;10&#x2F;04&#x2F;prior-art-america-inven...</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ipwatchdog.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;09&#x2F;11&#x2F;a-simple-guide-to-the-aia-oddities-first-to-file&#x2F;id=45104&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ipwatchdog.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;09&#x2F;11&#x2F;a-simple-guide-to-the-a...</a>
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dmritard96about 9 years ago
this is really cool. For a long time I wanted to make an internet noise machine that would make nsa surveillance too expensive&#x2F;difficult. This feels like that same concept but for IP.
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PatentTrollabout 9 years ago
This is very likely useless. Prior art has to be an &quot;enabling disclosure&quot; - which isn&#x27;t the same as the 112 enablement requirement but it does requires that the public is &quot;in possession&quot; of the invention. This algorithm just makes short phrases or maybe a sentence or two that make sense together. It is unlikely that this is enough to put the public &quot;in possession&quot; of anything. There are problems to be solved in the patent system, but this is not a solution to any of them. See <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.uspto.gov&#x2F;web&#x2F;offices&#x2F;pac&#x2F;mpep&#x2F;s2121.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.uspto.gov&#x2F;web&#x2F;offices&#x2F;pac&#x2F;mpep&#x2F;s2121.html</a><p>edit: so apparently this guy is an &#x27;artist&#x27; so maybe this isn&#x27;t meant to be taken seriously. Perhaps its just a commentary on the absurdity of the patent system. If that&#x27;s the goal, then cool, I think he&#x27;s made a point.
lostinpoeticsabout 9 years ago
not to be a buzzkill, but it&#x27;d be beneficial to <i>reduce</i> the data set examiners (and defendants) have to sift through to find relevant prior art. speaking as an ex-examiner, that&#x27;s the biggest problem, separating the signal from noise from an already poorly written data set.
fenollpabout 9 years ago
Digital representation of everything that was &amp; will ever be done is already public domain: π.<p>Now to look for it… <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;fenollp&#x2F;minepi&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master&#x2F;README.md" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;fenollp&#x2F;minepi&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master&#x2F;README.md</a>
imaginenoreabout 9 years ago
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stuaxoabout 9 years ago
&quot;The numbering scheme of the prior art is as follows, the first 10 digits is UNIX epoch time&quot; ... what about prior art before 1970 ?