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The Internet of Things has a dirty little secret

58 pointsby pierregilleslabout 9 years ago

11 comments

rmahabout 9 years ago
What the author fails to understand is that IoT is not a consumer thing, it&#x27;s an industrial thing. And silicon valley has (mostly) missed the boat. They&#x27;re behind the curve.<p>There are already 100&#x27;s of millions, if not billions, of IoT devices in the field, monitoring and controlling electrical, transport, logistical, agricultural, manufacturing and other infrastructure. There are hundreds of companies that are highly active in this space and doing quite well. Some are new, some are old. They operate at every layer from device manufacturing, to data collection, to analysis and more.<p>The consumer stuff, like Nest, or colored light bulbs are just fads, IMO. The only area where I think IoT may have <i>some</i> viability in the consumer space is healthcare. I do not mean things like jogging bracelets or the other &quot;wellness&quot; silliness that gets sold directly to consumers. I mean devices that monitor actual health metrics (blood sugar, heart rate, etc). There are large trials being done by health insurance companies right now to determine if active and constant monitoring will help reduce costs and improve outcomes among high risk populations.<p>Anyway, if you want to keep on top of IoT, ignore the SV hooplah and read industrial-focused rags instead.
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duanebabout 9 years ago
Who is buying these things? Even the &quot;high-end&quot; (nest) is buggy, expensive, and hostile to ownership. What is the appeal? Can anyone explain? My thermostat has no physical ability to lock me out or brick itself. That this is even on the table is terrifying.
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azinman2about 9 years ago
Overly doomsday. Easy to say these things for just about anything in tech these days.<p>I&#x27;m working on Vanadium (by Google) [1], which will allow all this stuff to be server-less and secure (by default). Once this or things like it are adopted there&#x27;s less a need for revenue to pay for the backend, nor the ability&#x2F;need for companies going out of business to brick their devices.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;v.io" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;v.io</a>
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kylehotchkissabout 9 years ago
IoS is a highly enjoyable Twitter and also writes longer articles well. I don&#x27;t know how you are, IoS author, but keep it up, I enjoy reading these
TeMPOraLabout 9 years ago
Welcome to the Internet of Things - home automation 2.0, with a bit of SV-style greed sprinkled to fuck things up.<p>I just came back from a &quot;smart home&quot; trade show, talked a bit to the regular companies doing regular home automation. It&#x27;s expensive, yes - you get industrial-quality products and a solution designed (and priced) for your particular needs. Basically, I&#x27;m talking about companies that were doing IoT for the past two decades, long before anyone ever thought of that acronym. I have a few observations:<p>- Everyone does exactly the same thing. HVAC, alarms, lights, window blinds, access control. There isn&#x27;t really much more to sensibly automate at home for an ordinary person at this moment. So they try to differentiate by look&amp;feel, UI and the type of installation - e.g. whether it can be laid over an existing building easily, or whether it would require to dig up the entire electrical installation and is therefore best done during construction or big renovation.<p>- Everything runs local first. As it should. Most solutions are wired, some are wireless - via Zigbee, LoRa, Wi-Fi, or some protocol, but still over a local network. Cloud services are often added to enable remote viewing and management via mobile devices, but this is a bonus, not the core thing in the installation. One company I talked with today ensured me that their pretty mobile apps &#x2F; tablet control panels have configurable network URL, so you can expose your automation server however you like or <i>not at all</i> - just point the app to an IP in your local network.<p>- A typical setup is expected to work fully locally and is resilient. In many cases, even if your central server goes down, your &quot;smart&quot; wall switches still work and control the stuff.<p>- The business model is honest. You submit your needs, get a quote for the installation, and when you decide to go ahead then the company comes, set things up, and it&#x27;s done. No silly recurrent fees, no bullshit subscriptions. You bought the hardware, it&#x27;s yours.<p>So basically, it works as it <i>should</i>. It&#x27;s not hot and sexy (most of your installation will be hidden in the walls anyway), but it is reliable and it is honest. It&#x27;s how grownups do business. Contrast that with the startup IoT bullshit.<p>As some of HNers mentioned already over the last few months, what we need is not Internet of Things, but an <i>Intranet</i> of Things. Exposing all that data to cloud by default is user-hostile and bad engineering. Adding a subscription-based business model on top of that is literally screwing people over. Ownership is like privacy nowadays - too easy to give up for convenience, because the people selling people stuff make money off their mistakes.
TheGuyWhoCodesabout 9 years ago
Whether you want it or not your home might have a smart meter for electricity,gas or water.<p>Your Energy&#x2F;Water supplier knows a lot about you already, they use this information to give you better experience or offer services. Sure there isn&#x27;t the risk that this will brick or stop working but you don&#x27;t have that privacy in some parts of the world, and in the end it&#x27;s about making money.<p>If you buy an IoT product that can&#x27;t function without the internet, or can&#x27;t have that smart turned off you you bought a bad product and you should feel bad.
kordlessabout 9 years ago
&gt; Before you buy into ‘smart’ devices, consider this: nobody really knows the answer because they don’t want to tell you. It’s better if you don’t know.<p>For anyone listening, don&#x27;t allow others to tell you what to think. The statement above, for example, is in dire cognitive dissonance and directly in conflict with itself. &quot;nobody really knows&quot; vs. &quot;they don&#x27;t want to tell you&quot;.<p>The fact is, if we keep on keeping on with this stupid VC model thing with startups, it&#x27;s likely to end badly.
lostcolonyabout 9 years ago
The main issue, I think, with IoT, is that most of the focus is on consumer use, and so many companies are trying to start there, without a clear view of how always sending data back to the company benefits the consumer.<p>Consumers don&#x27;t really -care- about that data, for the most part. What benefit do they get? The data by itself largely isn&#x27;t useful to them, and the extra device &#x27;smarts&#x27; often doesn&#x27;t require internet enablement. Nest doesn&#x27;t need to send your data anywhere; it just needs to be smart enough to figure out when you&#x27;re home and what temperature you like. Maybe a (secure, obviously) web panel to allow you to configure it remotely. That is, the benefit of a &#x27;smart&#x27; device to the consumer is currently largely orthogonal to the benefit a company gets from it, that massive trove of data. I think, as we move forward, and more and more leaks of data occur, more and more egregious abuses of the data occur (even by the company that sold the device), there will be a second generation of consumer devices, that don&#x27;t send their data to anyone except you; you gain 95% of the benefits of the current tech, but with a guarantee of end to end encryption.<p>In consumer spaces, there is, however, market opportunity for sufficiently complex devices. For example, Tesla, the data coming from the car can be useful directly to the consumer (notifying them of parts operating outside of expected parameters, etc), and the model could be changed so that data goes back to Tesla only when the consumer decides to as part of getting that part serviced; Tesla still gets relevant data, but not all of it, and the benefit of some people sending it (much like anonymous usage statistics for software) affects everyone. While over the air updates are cool, they could be done without the user information being shared, and they could be set to be disabled, instead requiring user intervention, for the security conscious.<p>But both of those miss what is perhaps the most intriguing application of IoT - industry. Where the collection of data from numerous disparate parts and places is beneficial to the customer. That is, a Nest (and its functionality) for a consumer is hardly necessary; they know when they&#x27;re cold, they know when they&#x27;re hot, they can change it. But for a multi-national conglomerate? They can run analytics against that data and find places that are losing&#x2F;gaining heat too fast, indicative of poor insulation, or poor placement of heating&#x2F;cooling devices. They can be notified of failures in cooling of rooms containing mission critical hardware, and respond quicker. Etc. The data gathering across many devices directly benefits the customer, rather than only really benefitting the company that sells the device.
awinter-pyabout 9 years ago
All the IOT features in the article are just &#x27;remote control&#x27;. Nobody who used a television in the 80s 90s or 00s will be surprised that bundled remote controls tend to suck.<p>The good news for IOT builders: standalone remote controls have tended to suck too. On-device non-remote physical buttons also often suck.
joesmoabout 9 years ago
Great article. I wouldn&#x27;t place technology that obviously benefits tremendously from being Internet connected like wireless music systems in the Internet of Shit category, however. You might as well start tossing in e-readers, tablets, and laptops then.
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anotherevanabout 9 years ago
Said it before, and I&#x27;ll say it again. Much more interested in the intranet of things, than the internet of things.