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How to Make Pittsburgh a Startup Hub

332 pointsby _piusabout 9 years ago

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pesentiabout 9 years ago
I bootstrapped a company in Pittsburgh in 2000 (the founders all came from CMU - I am from France originally) with a good exit in 2012.<p>When I moved there the food scene was nonexistent and people in the US still perceived Pittsburgh as a bad place to be (e.g., a lady I met in CA responded with &quot;Oh I am so sorry&quot; when I told her I was living in Pittsburgh). CMU also didn&#x27;t really understand startups - we were the first company to ever do something with a technology that CMU released to the founders.<p>But it was also a time where you could hire CMU CS grads for $30K&#x2F;year and rent an office for 30 people for less than $2K&#x2F;month. And we were a big fish in a small pond so we got a lot of local press and a first cut at the local tech talent (one of our first hire ended up becoming co-founder of Tumblr!)<p>After the exit I tried to get involved in the local scene. And while I found a lot of talent&#x2F;ideas&#x2F;start up to promote it was amazingly hard to attract any kind of money in the city. That convinced me that Pittsburgh would never make it as a hub and I ended moving to Manhattan last year.<p>Now my family (wife and 4 kids) hate me for that move - because even if you throw huge piles of money on rent it&#x27;s hard to match the quality of life of Pittsburgh - and we are reconsidering that move.<p>Happy to answer any question about starting a company in Pittsburgh!
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abaloneabout 9 years ago
I for one &quot;treat the people starting these little restaurants and cafes as your users&quot; in SF and I can tell you, the permitting process is not the biggest problem.<p>It&#x27;s costs.<p>Commercial rents have skyrocketed. Moreover, residential rents have skyrocketed to the point where few people in the service industry can afford to live in SF at market rates. Even if you can find a space, how are you going to staff it? Who&#x27;s willing to commute in from Oakland (which is getting expensive too) for a low wage job with grueling hours?<p>Nopa, one of the most successful SF restaurants in the past 10 years, is posting job ads for cooks <i>on their menus</i> now.<p>This isn&#x27;t because of a slow permit process. Nopa hasn&#x27;t applied for a permit in years. It&#x27;s a result of the macroeconomic effects of a tech boom. So while I&#x27;m very happy to see PG highlight macroeconomic factors that foster economic growth in cities, I see a missed opportunity to fully address their complex effects.<p>This is probably because this issue has been politicized here in SF, with the tech industry often lambasted for &quot;destroying&quot; the city (this comes from a lot of the people getting pushed out), so tech folks often get hyperdefensive and contort themselves trying to point fingers elsewhere. I think that&#x27;s what&#x27;s happened here with PG trying to blame the government&#x27;s permitting process.<p>But clearly if we want to continue making SF an attractive startup hub, we need to help &quot;little restaurants and cafes&quot; continue to open and operate. And the elephant in the room there is quite simply the high rents and high cost of living for workers in the service industry, driven by a huge influx of wealthier residents competing for space. You want a startup hub, you need city policies that manage that growth.
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kom107about 9 years ago
Born in Pittsburgh, raised in Pittsburgh, started (and failed, 2009-2014) my own company in Pittsburgh, currently have an excellent tech job in Pittsburgh and am going to launch the beta product of my new company (YC reject) in Pittsburgh in June.<p>So. First off, I nearly cried reading this headline, and did tear up reading it. So whether or not he reads this, thanks, Paul.<p>Second. To the hard work of it all. I agree with every point he made, with the caveat that Pittsburgh needs to be careful with the historic preservation aspect of things: they vascillate between &#x27;hey let&#x27;s forget all of our history and blow this place up&#x27; to &#x27;we must preserve every nook and cranny exactly as it was, even though it&#x27;s detrimental towards progress&#x27;.<p>We could also stand to improve tax policy (lower them, significantly), and get our major employers here to knock it off with their ridiculous IP agreements. Also, I&#x27;d love it if our politicians stopped directly trying to ape Silicon Valley (or New York, or perhaps most ridiculous, the Paris of Appalachia). Let&#x27;s be Pittsburgh.<p>Here&#x27;s the thing that perhaps Paul missed when he was here, and perhaps others who aren&#x27;t here can&#x27;t see: I feel we&#x27;ve reached a critical mass of people who just DGAF (in a good way), because the opportunity costs of testing out your vision here are so low. By that, I mean that you can try out your weird (read: innovative) vision of the future, and no one bats an eye. On top of that, if you are producing a signal, it&#x27;s much easier to cut through noise here. I spent a fair amount of time interviewing in SF for startup gigs, and it&#x27;s not a good value proposition compared to here, to me. Finally, while the investment scene is terrible, that can be very beneficial to the right founder, because obviously one will retain more for themselves, and one don&#x27;t NEED very much capital to get started in Pittsburgh. I bought my first house for $80,000 in 2013. 4&#x2F;2, hardwood throughout, 1944 brick single family, 2 car garage, yard, granite, stainless, wine fridge, etc, in a good neighborhood. It&#x27;s that cheap here. Anecdotal, but if you&#x27;re smart with your money here, you can build your own runway.<p>All of that said, I&#x27;m hoping it happens. More than that, I&#x27;ll work for it to happen. Onwards and upwards, fellow Yinzers. And Let&#x27;s Go Bucs.
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colindeanabout 9 years ago
There are some big things happening in Pittsburgh:<p>Code &amp; Supply (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;codeandsupply.co" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;codeandsupply.co</a>) is growing very quickly. It is just more than two years old and has nearly 2,200 members of its Meetup group. It holds 6-10 meetups per month, ranging from language talks to toolkits, WiFi, mental health, design, career management, and more.<p>C&amp;S is hosting Abstractions (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;abstractions.io" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;abstractions.io</a>), probably the largest ever software conference in Pittsburgh. It&#x27;s in August and will likely sell out of its 1,500 tickets at the current rate (40% sold as of this writing). We&#x27;ve got big names speaking, like Stallman, Zeldman, Sandi Metz, Scott Hanselman, Mike Montiero, Raffi Krikorian, Mitchell Hashimoto, Joe Armstrong, Larry Wall, Allison Randal, Aaron Patterson, Jono Bacon, Kelsey Hightower, and lots more. The full lineup will be announced in May.<p><i>Disclosure: I am an organizer of both.</i><p>There are lots of other meetups that are big, too. PGH Python just merged into C&amp;S. The PGH FP meetup is growing quickly, too. Pittsburgh hosted Midwest UX last year and Pittsburgh Web Design Day is a pretty big event.<p>TL;DR the Pittsburgh software <i>community</i> is booming.
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Csheltonabout 9 years ago
Dallas:<p>- Highest growth rate in the nation (especially for 18 - 30 years old), after Houston, which is down now due to the oil industry, placing Dallas at #1<p>- Highest spending on food and alcohol at restaurants - <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;dallas-fort-worth-spends-more-on-eating-out-and-booze-than-anywhere-in-us.html&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;dallas-fort-worth-...</a><p>- One of the most affordable places to live in the U.S.<p>- Large number of top tier universities within 3 hours (Univ of Texas, Baylor, TCU, SMU, UNT, Texas A&amp;M, UTD, UTA)<p>- Massive amount of wealth&#x2F;wealthy investors, who, are starting to put their wealth into more and more seed start-ups<p>My point is, many cities all fit the same criteria as he listed. But until the people IN those communities move to make it happen, it won&#x27;t. In the last 3 years, I&#x27;ve seen a magnitude increase in Start-up&#x2F;entrepreneur activity happening in Dallas. And I believe much of the criteria PG said is right and a good part of the reason, but those things won&#x27;t just &quot;make&quot; it happen.
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tryitnowabout 9 years ago
Hmmm. Does he even reference the fact that the SF Bay Area was the recipient of massive amounts of government and government contractor money?<p>And what about the free-wheeling, non-traditional culture (embodied in the Homebrew Computing Club)?<p>These two factors created Silicon Valley. Federal money subsidized the semiconductor boom, which brought a lot of technical expertise to the area. Then the open-minded culture created the perfect environment for entrepreneurship.<p>It seems like the formula for success is: (1) Massive exogenous funding (on scale only the federal government can do) + (2) A highly open-minded culture that accepts failure as an inevitable part of creation.<p>Honestly, there&#x27;s just not a lot of places that qualify. Pretty much all of the east coast, mid-west, and south are too conservative. And nowhere is really receiving massive loads of external funding like the Bay Area did in the 20th century.
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taylorwcabout 9 years ago
&gt; <i>If an investor community grows up here, it will happen the same way it did in Silicon Valley: slowly and organically.</i><p>I love this. I&#x27;m in Kansas City and find myself constantly cringing at the number of projects that all try to be a silver bullet that will magically transform the startup ecosystem here or in any other midwest city. If you want to make some place a good place for startups, then you have to play the long game.<p>You can&#x27;t be beholden to any political cycles. You can&#x27;t jump on the startup bandwagon because it&#x27;s suddenly fashionable. You can&#x27;t run for the hills as soon as the economy takes a substantive dip.<p>The only answer is to put your head down and try to build whatever you can, and stick with it. If a large number of people do that, then over time, good things will happen.
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cfallinabout 9 years ago
Pittsburgh has a lot going for it, and it&#x27;s been really cool seeing the growth since I moved to Pgh in 2009.<p>I think the one thing it might have against it is a growing anti-gentrification&#x2F;tech movement. It&#x27;s nothing like throw-rocks-at-busses San Francisco, but you do see things like this graffiti:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;5T0iJQ6" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;5T0iJQ6</a><p>And it&#x27;s not just the fringe with these views, but (in my experience) reasonable people who are frustrated with rising rents and they scapegoat tech growth.<p>The housing market is also a little wonky. Pittsburgh is cheap on average, but it&#x27;s sort of bimodal -- there are nice new shiny apartments being built, especially around Google (Bakery Square) and thereabouts, but they&#x27;re going at maybe 1.5-2x the median rent. Then the rest of the apartment stock is just a little... <i>old</i>. I took for granted having parking and laundry and post-1950s wiring when I was on the west coast. There are a bunch of places here that haven&#x27;t been renovated in 50 years.<p>In any case, I agree with PG that there&#x27;s a certain pragmatism here and I think really great things are coming if the growth continues.
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matt_wulfeckabout 9 years ago
Im convinced that the next valley will happen in the place that can attract the most unmarried people ages 18 through 30. What do these people care about?<p>- night life<p>- high density urban living<p>- progressive local governments and freedom (drug and marriage decriminalization).<p>- good public transportation<p>- access to high speed internet<p>- good universities<p>As they grow older and get married, affordable and high speed public transportation will allow them to move without causing terminal urban sprawl.
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Animatsabout 9 years ago
Uber is building a self-driving car research center in Pittsburgh. They hired most of the CMU self-driving car people. Supposedly they&#x27;re going to renovate a railroad roundhouse in Hazelwood and use some of the empty space from the old coke plant for road testing. How&#x27;s that working out?<p>In California, anything you do on your own time belongs to you, and the previous employer can&#x27;t enforce most non-compete agreements. So you can leave and do a startup even if your old employer doesn&#x27;t like it. That&#x27;s an edge Silicon Valley has and no other state has had the guts to copy.
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minimaxirabout 9 years ago
I&#x27;m a CMU undergraduate who moved to San Francisco.<p>Every year, the School of Computer Science publishes a survey of where undergrads go after college: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cmu.edu&#x2F;career&#x2F;salaries-and-destinations&#x2F;2015-survey&#x2F;bach-scs-2015-post-grad-report.9.28-15-kc.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cmu.edu&#x2F;career&#x2F;salaries-and-destinations&#x2F;2015-su...</a> [pdf]<p>About <i>half</i> of the 2015 graduates go to employment in the West&#x2F;CA.<p>I&#x27;ll add that I am not even a graduate in CS (I majored in Business), yet I know a lot of non-CS majors my year who have also moved out here.<p>California is where the prestigious jobs are. And that&#x27;s what matters at the end. Is Pittsburgh <i>capable</i> of supporting a Silicon Valley? Not as long as Pittsburgh&#x27;s weather remains the way it is, anyways.
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spudfkcabout 9 years ago
As a native Clevelander, I love the idea of the a rust-belt city becoming the next big startup hub. Unfortunately, I can&#x27;t help but disagree with several points in this article:<p>Low cost of living: Sure, it&#x27;s low compared to SF, but it is increasing at an alarming rate. Just look at how quickly housing prices have been rising the past few years. Maybe this isn&#x27;t something to worry about - maybe it&#x27;s just a sign that Pittsburgh is a place people already want to move to.<p>Bicycle&#x2F;pedestrian friendly: This is a great point, but it seems unrealistic given Pittsburgh&#x27;s geography - it&#x27;s surrounded by mountains and can experience some pretty harsh winters. Those factors make it difficult to be friendly towards cyclists. The public transportation could be much better, but faces the difficulty of, again, the geography.<p>Culture: Now I don&#x27;t mean any offense to anyone from Pittsburgh, but their culture (in my experience) has been anything but &quot;tolerant&quot;. I visit Pittsburgh at least once every other month, and most people I meet there, unfortunately, are pretty racist. Now, it&#x27;s perfectly possible that the people I have met there are a minority, but I&#x27;m just speaking about what I&#x27;ve observed.<p>There are also several great points that I agree with: the food scene in Pittsburgh is great (and growing!) (check out Butcher and The Rye if you have a chance) , great universities all near downtown (CMU, Pitt), several notable tech companies there as a foundation (Google, Uber, etc), and every time I visit there I am optimistic about the city, though I question whether or not it can become the next big Startup Hub.<p>Also, don&#x27;t forget that there are other rust-belt cities that are experience a regrowth: Detroit and Cleveland. Pittsburgh is ahead in that race, but each city is unique, and who knows what the actual next Startup Hub will be.
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saosebastiaoabout 9 years ago
Where is the actual evidence that strict historical preservation actually matters? The culturally important buildings tend to stay around whether they are &quot;protected&quot; or not...its really only at the margins where they do anything.<p>And those margins tend to be pretty ridiculous. Seattle, for example, has upheld historical preservation status on buildings that were completely vacant and had no discernible written history whatsoever. Things like old mechanics garages and derelict wooden apartment buildings that had already rotted through.<p>Strict historical preservation is nothing more than an anti-development attitude codified into law.
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50CNTabout 9 years ago
I&#x27;m not sure whether YC is actually that great for startup hubs outside of SF. After all, the most ambitious founders seem likely to just go through YC and then stay in SF because all the other ambitious founders have stayed in SF, the VCs are there, the talent is there. Yes, they could head back to Pittsburgh, but that&#x27;s 2 moves for a fledgeling startup, and they have little to gain from the second.<p>It kinda reminds me of Front[0], another YC startup from France, which decided to eventually move their entire team to SF. I&#x27;d wager that the cultural differences in this move outshine those of a Pittsburgh-San Francisco move, and they still decided it was the most sensible option.<p>And if they are sucessful, you file them under SF startup instead of French startup, or Pittsburgh startup, or Berlin startup, because that&#x27;s where they&#x27;ve spent the majority of their time, and that&#x27;s where they are right now. Through some mental fudging, it becomes another data point for &quot;If I want to start a startup, I need to go to SF&quot;.<p>[0]<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;themacro.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2016&#x2F;02&#x2F;pros-and-cons-of-distributed-teams&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;themacro.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2016&#x2F;02&#x2F;pros-and-cons-of-distri...</a>
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robgabout 9 years ago
Not sure if the venue, but why is UPitt left out here? CMU is great, but Pitt is also a world class research institution and with a first rate medical school and insurer already investing deeply in startups.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;02&#x2F;10&#x2F;mental-health-startup-lantern-raises-17-million-series-a-round&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;02&#x2F;10&#x2F;mental-health-startup-lante...</a>
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seibeljabout 9 years ago
Somewhat unrelated, but a lot of people complain about Boston being too expensive, like SF or NYC, but honestly you can live downtown inexpensively if you live in Chinatown, or within subway distance if you live in Jamaica Plain, Dorchester, or Roxbury, which become cheaper (and less safe) in that order. You don&#x27;t need to live in Cambridge &#x2F; Somerville &#x2F; Back Bay &#x2F; Seaport.<p>If you are seriously considering moving to Pittsburgh or someplace similar because of cost, look at Boston, which is <i>way</i> closer culturally to Silicon Valley than any second tier tech city, and don&#x27;t focus on living in the prime locations.
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hawkiceabout 9 years ago
Surprised no one has mentioned the gravitational effect these hubs have -- Sacramento will never really blossom in the tech industry because so much talent gets sucked into SF.<p>But as plane ticket prices go down, those areas get larger and larger. It&#x27;s worth saying: &quot;Pittsburgh, this is time sensitive! Boston will eat your lunch by default, so make your moves quickly.&quot;<p>Also, if plane trips get cheap enough, look at how the Hong Kong &#x2F; Shenzhen area fares. Plenty of money and tech talent, and China&#x27;s pushing a lot of VC money (although, who know where that ends up). If plane tickets get below the price of a video game console before an American city pops up as a cheap-dense-livable-tech-hub, HK&#x2F;SZ will probably gobble them just due to order-of-magnitude advantages (4x the VC, 30x the population of SF, with preposterous numbers of PhDs, at some point the advantages will compound into something like SF but 100x more powerful).
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outworlderabout 9 years ago
&gt; What does that have to do with startups? Because startups are made of people, and the average age of the people in a typical startup is right in that 25 to 29 bracket.<p>So Paul Graham is now helping to perpetuate the current Silicon Valley ageism.<p>How useful is that data point? That bracket could be the current average of SV&#x27;s founders, due to forces in action at that region. Another region could have an entirely different age bracket.<p>And that&#x27;s founders. As the article touches upon, there won&#x27;t be many investors. And certainly not at that age.<p>What you actually need to do is to get bright people to go to a region and <i>stay there</i>. If you just try to optimize for that age bracket, you won&#x27;t have Silicon Valley.
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kriroabout 9 years ago
It&#x27;s an interesting article but I feel like the investor&#x2F;entrepreneur relationship isn&#x27;t quite as simple. I&#x27;d be really interested in a meaningful analysis of why investors cluster in SV. The obvious explanation is because that&#x27;s where the talent is. However I feel there are a lot of social factors at play, too. It&#x27;s cool to be in SV, people start companies there and change career path from selling their company to becoming investors etc. [lifestyle wise the city of SF doesn&#x27;t sound all that great and Cali seems to be full of strange regulations and the like]<p>What if investor seeding would be hugely beneficial for a hub to become &quot;the next SV&quot;. Imagine this thought experiment...pg overcome with nostalgia convinces YC to permanently move to Pittsburgh and change the standard recommendation to &quot;stay 3 month in Pittsburgh&quot;. I&#x27;m not convinced YC would implode..there&#x27;d be some difficulties sure. But I&#x27;d also expect (some of) the money to follow YC.<p>A &quot;Pittsburgh batch&quot; (to go along with the regular one) might actually be an interesting experiment to run.
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calbear81about 9 years ago
Detroit fits the bill on the whole lots of old buildings that were once built when the city was rich but then turned poor. You can buy a 6 bedroom placial estate in Indian Village for $350,000 and live next to estates once owned by the Fords and the Dodges, etc.<p>It&#x27;s near a world class University (UMich) and has an abundance of office space, mostly owned by Dan Gilbert. The challenge is that it&#x27;s just not that safe of a place once you venture outside of the protected downtown bubble and public transit is dismal. It&#x27;s becoming a refuge for artists and free thinkers priced out of Brooklyn, seeking space that still retains it&#x27;s edginess and grit. The problem is what they&#x27;re bringing is aimed at the new Detroit urbanites and don&#x27;t really help solve problems for all of the other normal working class folks in Detroit.<p>Disclaimer: I live in the Bay but spent a lot of time in Detroit over the last few years when my SO was doing a residency in Clinton Township in the Detroit suburbs. She would vehemently disagree with me on my assessment and sees a frontier spirit emerging there.
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rwhitmanabout 9 years ago
Pittsburgh is unfortunately kind of isolated transportation-wise, which I think is a bigger disadvantage than it looks on the surface.<p>It was founded when waterways were the main transportation access point, and boomed as it was the intersection of 3 rivers. But today Pittsburgh has an airport that isn&#x27;t a major airline hub, with limited flights that need a connection from most cities. Rail by Amtrak is infrequent and impractically slow. The drive from NYC is 6 hours, 5 even just from Philly. And extremely treacherous in winter, too - winding Appalachian mountain passes with icy roads, blizzards, fog, narrow lanes. The nearest neighboring city is Cleveland, which isn&#x27;t exactly a big boost economically.<p>Contrast to Philly on the other end of the state and you&#x27;re 2 hours from NYC, Jersey, DC with high speed rail, a major intl airport etc. Sure there are west coast cities with worse problems, but they still have the optimism of manifest destiny working in their favor. Getting caught in a blizzard driving to Denver just <i>feels</i> more exciting than a blizzard driving to Pittsburgh..<p>If Pittsburgh doubled down on the airport or got cash from harrisburg to improve rail links to NYC (we can dream), maybe build up as a tourist destination even, it could be competitive. Till then, yinzers are going to have to enjoy the secrets of their charming city on their own.
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jlabout 9 years ago
&quot;But if a university really wanted to help its students start startups, the empirical evidence, weighted by market cap, suggests the best thing they can do is literally nothing.&quot; This is an important insight and will be totally counterintuitive to universities.
robgabout 9 years ago
This is perhaps the first essay I read from pg and thought &quot;You&#x27;re hopping aboard this bandwagon now?&quot;. Even he admits to following the lead of the NY Times Food section. Having attended grad school in Pgh from 1999-2004, it was clear back then the city was on it&#x27;s way back. Now with Apple, Google, and Uber, the question isn&#x27;t how to make Pgh a startup hub, it&#x27;s how much it will be.
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evantahlerabout 9 years ago
I love Pittsburgh... but now too many of you know about it... so it&#x27;s over ;p<p>My Family is from Pittsburgh, I went to CMU for undergraduate and then graduate school. I helped found&#x2F;bootstrap a video game company there that did quite well for a few years form 2009-2011. The city is manageable, quirky, tolerant, fun, and affordable. I agree with everything PG says here... including the lack of funding. I was with ModCloth when they had to &quot;move the core team to SF to get investment&quot;. My video game company&#x27;s troubles can be traced to lack of funding (and the CEO used too much personal capital remain objective).<p>I would add one more negative: a bad airport. The Pittsburgh airport <i>used</i> to be a world-class hub for US-Airways and offered a ton cheap flights everywhere. A good airport is important for attracting talent and business... now this huge airport is less than 1&#x2F;2 utilized and due to poor mass transit, it&#x27;s hard to get to (I guess Uber is fixing that for the city). You <i>could</i> be in Philadelphia, DC, and NYC within an hour... but I always opted to drive to save on those overpriced domestic flights tier-2 airports are known for.<p>There <i>are</i> investors in pittsburgh (like <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bluetreealliedangels.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bluetreealliedangels.com</a>), but they aren&#x27;t used to investing in &quot;digital&quot; tech. There are some early-stage incubators (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;alphalab.org" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;alphalab.org</a> and some others) but they don&#x27;t have the network reach to justify their high stake in the company. I would argue that capital exists, but isn&#x27;t as loose as it is out west. The folks who have it aren&#x27;t as risky... which might be because they don&#x27;t have as much to play with, but I think it simply is that they aren&#x27;t used to the type of businesses Silicon Valley is starting... and that seems too risky.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Pittsburgh_International_Airport" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Pittsburgh_International_Airpo...</a>
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mtviewdaveabout 9 years ago
<i>&gt;Focus on historic preservation. Big real estate development projects are not what&#x27;s bringing the twenty-somethings here. They&#x27;re the opposite of the new restaurants and cafes; they subtract personality from the city.</i><p><i>&gt;The empirical evidence suggests you cannot be too strict about historic preservation. The tougher cities are about it, the better they seem to do.</i><p>Interesting contrast to the common belief here on HN that historic preservation is just unimportant NIMBYism and should be opposed in the name of bringing down housing costs.
overgardabout 9 years ago
I think the question of where the &quot;next&quot; silicon valley will be is the wrong question; the question of where is way less significant than the question of what.<p>I don&#x27;t think the next hub of cultural and economic significance is necessarily going to be about what we think of as startups, it will probably be something that doesn&#x27;t even register with most people today.
rafaelcabout 9 years ago
Money quote: &quot;I&#x27;ve seen how powerful it is for a city to have those people. Five years ago they shifted the center of gravity of Silicon Valley from the peninsula to San Francisco. Google and Facebook are on the peninsula, but the next generation of big winners are all in SF. The reason the center of gravity shifted was the talent war, for programmers especially. Most 25 to 29 year olds want to live in the city, not down in the boring suburbs. So whether they like it or not, founders know they have to be in the city. I know multiple founders who would have preferred to live down in the Valley proper, but who made themselves move to SF because they knew otherwise they&#x27;d lose the talent war.&quot;
fvargasabout 9 years ago
As a current CMU student and startup founder, I agree with Paul&#x27;s observations about the environment and the kind of people Pittsburgh attracts. I&#x27;ve witnessed firsthand the startup culture that is churning, and I don&#x27;t doubt it will continue to grow.<p>However, the comparison between Silicon Valley and Pittsburgh Paul omitted has to do with the weather. Any freshman at CMU can tell you that the winter (and fall, and spring) in Pittsburgh are less than pleasant. Just last week it was snowing, in April. The fact is, for more than half the year, people won&#x27;t be able to fully enjoy all those cafe&#x27;s, restaurants, and cycling. The cold, rain, and snow do impact the day to day life of the people who live here and it&#x27;s a factor of life that can&#x27;t be overlooked. For many people, the choice between similar jobs in San Francisco and Pittsburgh is an easy one in favor of San Francisco.<p>Pittsburgh&#x27;s startup culture <i>is</i> growing, and there are great companies springing up here. But as a founder, I see Pittsburgh as a jumping off point. I don&#x27;t wish to live with this kind of weather any longer than I have to. Not when I have the option to setup an HQ in San Francisco. And I know the people I want working with me now and in the future feel the same way.
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shriphaniabout 9 years ago
I remember my time in Pittsburgh. Mostly fond memories. However 8 to 9 months of the year the atmosphere is really gloomy (not just the weather - take a walk in the downtown - feels like everything is falling apart) - when things are not going right in life that is just the worst thing to put up with.
lewis500about 9 years ago
I used to live in pittsburgh. I wish I still did but I have to live here in the Bay for work. Other than the work environment, unless you&#x27;re a millionaire, this place sucks compared to pittsburgh: takes an hour to get anywhere, insane cost-of-living and sanctimonious locals who openly loathe &quot;the tech elite&quot; while they sit in their million-dollar ranch houses.
p4wnc6about 9 years ago
I live in the Midwest and would be happy to continue living here. Pittsburgh would in many ways be ideal.<p>But if start-ups flock to Pittsburgh and start engaging in cargo-cult replication of the idiotic open-plan madness of SV, poor wages relative to cost of living, poor employment culture that places importance on inane things like how much alcohol you consume, then count me out.<p>I frankly don&#x27;t understand why a region would <i>want</i> to become like Silicon Valley.<p>Don&#x27;t get me wrong. I understand why unrealistic founders would want it and I understand why exploitative VC firms might want it. But why would employees or residents want it? It will only accelerate wealth concentration, establish monoculture, lead to absurd corporate corruption, gentrification issues, and on and on.<p>Quick, Pittsburgh. Stop this before your local politicians have completely sold you out!
timvabout 9 years ago
<i>Can you imagine a headline &quot;City ruined by becoming too bicycle-friendly?&quot; It just doesn&#x27;t happen.</i><p>It&#x27;s pretty close to that in Sydney. Conservative media voices are fairly unanimous in their derision of Sydney City Council&#x27;s attempts to build a network of bicycle lanes through the CBD.<p>I hold the opposite view, despite never riding in the city, but it&#x27;s definitely a strongly divisive issue.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.governmentnews.com.au&#x2F;2016&#x2F;04&#x2F;why-sydney-hates-cyclists-and-melbourne-loves-them&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.governmentnews.com.au&#x2F;2016&#x2F;04&#x2F;why-sydney-hates-cy...</a>
georgecmuabout 9 years ago
I was going to attend this event (mainly because of pg&#x27;s participation), but regrettably had to miss it (family claimed the Saturday). Thanks for the write-up.<p>The video of PG&#x27;s keynote is available here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=CpfdtgW6_oI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=CpfdtgW6_oI</a>
AndrewKemendoabout 9 years ago
How to make any place a startup hub: Have connected investors&#x2F;money that is willing to take risks (drives job growth) and founders who have exited to encourage and promote new startups (creates the ecosystem).<p>There are almost no cities in the US outside of SF that meet those two criteria. Even NYC which has VC money (nowhere near that of SF) doesn&#x27;t have more than two major exits (Etsy, Tumblr).<p>All those other things are nice to haves. Job opportunity and money are everything.<p>Pittsburgh has none of those. Nowhere on the East coast does, and I can verify it as we are HQ in D.C.<p>Also Pitt is cold.
sheelabout 9 years ago
I am an investor, with 500 startups. Originally from Pittsburgh, went to CMU- tremendous love for the place. Will come to find great companies to give them money. I particularly look at FinTech but would love to look at other stuff. Drop me a line if I can be helpful. Not hard to find me.
vincvincabout 9 years ago
If you prefer the spoken version, here is the actual talk:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=CpfdtgW6_oI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=CpfdtgW6_oI</a>
ausjkeabout 9 years ago
I went to Pittsburgh a couple years ago, the downtown is just slightly better than Buffalo, not fully a ghost town but pretty close.<p>Buffalo is worse because someone made the wise decision to move UB out to the suburb, which essentially rendered the already lost town to a ghost city.<p>Put young people into the center of town helped to sustain it, however a city&#x27;s future is more decided by the overall economy development, both Pittsburgh and Buffalo are just _lost_ in recent decades on that part.
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shas3about 9 years ago
Strange comment about Pittsburgh&#x27;s diversity and strangeness! In my experience, outside Oakland, Shadyside, Squirrel Hill, perhaps Monroeville, and some working class neighborhoods, Pittsburgh is a fairly conservative South-US-ish city.
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nahualabout 9 years ago
Evan Miller&#x27;s essay &quot;Marketing your startup hub&quot;[0] comes to mind.<p>[0]: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.evanmiller.org&#x2F;marketing-startup-hubs.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.evanmiller.org&#x2F;marketing-startup-hubs.html</a>
markaduffyabout 9 years ago
Regarding the “startup” thread. When i first came to Pittsburgh, 2003, there was very little jobs in IT. When I came back in 2010 and every year since, its been noticeably better. The cost of living, and housing is significantly lower than UK. I worked in Belfast for a London based company. Lots of London based companies outsourced IT jobs to regional cities, because they could pay lower wages, as the employees didn’t have the expense of living in London. I always thought Pittsburgh could follow Belfast. In Dublin, they attract the American companies because of the low corporation tax. It also helps that they are a english speaking country in the eurozone. I think if US fixed the broken immigration (it takes a year for work authorization, compare to 2-3 weeks in UK), and Pittsburgh had some international flights, that would help investment in the city. I love Pittsburgh, and amazed at the speed of the changes since i first came here. Keep er lit!
crispyambulanceabout 9 years ago
I&#x27;ve been born and raised in Pittsburgh, went to CMU for undergrad and Pitt for grad but eventually left for other places.<p>Pittsburgh has plenty of business opportunities. There is A LOT of industry within the metro area. A small group of folks can relatively easily set up shop and make excellent careers doing tech in Pittsburgh.<p>The &quot;bones&quot; of the city are excellent. It is a medium-size compact urban area surrounded by streetcar main-streets, industrial areas, and older &#x27;burbs. Neighborhoods are relatively stable, there aren&#x27;t insane fluctuations in property values, many places are walkable&#x2F;bikeable and there&#x27;s at least a corner in pittsburgh for every taste.<p>As for it being a &quot;start-up hub&quot; where &quot;start-up&quot; is defined in the silicon valley sense of going from idea to VC investment to IPO in a few dozen months-- no that is not common. But that&#x27;s such a narrow band of activity, can you really say it is common anywhere?
dj_dohabout 9 years ago
Probably too late in the conversation. I&#x27;m a Pittsburgh product, as in I did my grad schooling from there. I&#x27;ve always found pgh vibrant! I was residing in the Oakland area. I liked everything about it. To this day I call it one of my favorite places to live or visit.<p>Circa: 2008-09
simonebrunozziabout 9 years ago
From Wikipedia [0]:<p>In a 2013 ranking of 277 metropolitan areas in the United States, the American Lung Association (ALA) ranked only six U.S. metro areas as having higher amounts of short-term particle pollution, and only seven U.S. metro areas having higher amounts of year-round particle pollution than Pittsburgh. For ozone (smog) pollution, Pittsburgh was ranked 24th amongst other U.S. metro areas.<p>Pittsburgh can be cool, but I wouldn&#x27;t consider moving to a city where my health is in serious danger.<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Pittsburgh" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Pittsburgh</a>
beatpandaabout 9 years ago
Paul Graham is giving deadly advice for maintaining housing affordability. Those cute historic building become an albatross around a city&#x27;s neck in a hurry once a lot of people start moving in.
dietlbombabout 9 years ago
I agree with PG that Mississippi probably isn&#x27;t the right place for a startup hub, but it is disappointing that he contributes to the spin that Mississippi&#x27;s religious liberty bill represents intolerance. It&#x27;s these sort of religious protections that allow people of differing beliefs to live together, as opposed to the enforcement of secular norms found in jurisdictions that are supposedly more tolerant.
gkopabout 9 years ago
Would you help me compile a list of interesting software companies in Pittsburgh? (I&#x27;m seeking to relocate there from SF but am having a hard time sourcing an attractive employer)<p>* DuoLingo<p>* Google<p>* Oculus (Facebook)<p>* ShowClix
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femtoabout 9 years ago
&quot; Can you imagine a headline &quot;City ruined by becoming too bicycle-friendly?&quot; It just doesn&#x27;t happen.&quot;<p>Except in Sydney, Australia. Welcome to Murdoch&#x27;s backyard:<p>&quot;On a bike path to chaotic traffic: new cycleways could mean more gridlock for city drivers &quot;[1]<p>&quot;The cycle of waste will cost us $76 million&quot; [2]<p>&quot;SLOW LANES: If they don’t want it, take it off them&quot; [3]<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.news.com.au&#x2F;national&#x2F;nsw-act&#x2F;on-a-bike-path-to-chaotic-traffic-new-cycleways-could-mean-more-gridlock-for-city-drivers&#x2F;story-fnii5s3x-1226869211260" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.news.com.au&#x2F;national&#x2F;nsw-act&#x2F;on-a-bike-path-to-ch...</a><p>[2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.news.com.au&#x2F;national&#x2F;nsw-act&#x2F;the-cycle-of-waste-will-cost-us-76-million&#x2F;story-fnii5s3x-1226718069142" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.news.com.au&#x2F;national&#x2F;nsw-act&#x2F;the-cycle-of-waste-w...</a><p>[3] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.news.com.au&#x2F;dailytelegraph&#x2F;timblair&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;dailytelegraph&#x2F;comments&#x2F;slow_lanes&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.news.com.au&#x2F;dailytelegraph&#x2F;timblair&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;d...</a>
hyperion2010about 9 years ago
This sounds very similar to the actual process that Durham has gone through over the past 15+ years, and the first visible signs were in the restaurant business too (concerted efforts by the city and local businesses were less visible, but preceded the visible signs). Pittsburgh seems like it has an incredibly similar social and historical setting, so hopefully they can pull it off as well.
rquantzabout 9 years ago
Because being a startup hub has been so good for SF? Not everywhere needs to be a startup hub, for goodness sake.
anonuabout 9 years ago
Early on in my undergrad life in Pittsburgh (circa 2001-2005) I remember seeing this Calvin and Hobbes comic strip, <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gocomics.com&#x2F;calvinandhobbes&#x2F;1985&#x2F;12&#x2F;20" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gocomics.com&#x2F;calvinandhobbes&#x2F;1985&#x2F;12&#x2F;20</a> . It took a while to really understand the rather negative perception people had of Pittsburgh, but that comic strip helped. After undergrad I moved to NYC and sort of regretted that a little bit. I realized the same things PG mentions: low cost of living and constant influx of young people from the 20+ universities in the area creates the right ecosystem for a startup culture.
caseyf7about 9 years ago
Philly checks these boxes much better than Pittsburgh and doesn&#x27;t have a tech scene of note. These cities will also need an anchor company to keep the talent there. Maybe autonomous cars can do that in Pittsburgh.
Mzabout 9 years ago
I really love the comments about making a city more pedestrian and bicycle friendly.
grillvogelabout 9 years ago
hurry there are cities that haven&#x27;t been completely turned to shit yet!
srinivasanabout 9 years ago
Points I would like to have seen mentioned: 1. Non-competes are enforceable in Pittsburgh, PA. Unlike in California. 2. Intellectual property rights over personal projects.
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intrasightabout 9 years ago
CMU grad here (EE, CE, Math &#x27;89). My wife is a native Pittsburgher. Her parents still live in the house she was born in – which I believe is not uncommon in this city. Anyway, I have her perspective too. Met wife shortly after graduating, got married, moved to Toronto to study neuroscience. After our daughter was born, we moved back to Pittsburgh to be with the grandparents. Can&#x27;t say enough about how great an experience that was for our daughter. Pittsburgh is still very much a family town with deep roots and deep history. Daughter didn&#x27;t go to CMU (had worked on robots there in HS and wanted a change) but if she had, she would have been 4th generation. Grandparents are great. Consider that you young adults coupling down. Are the soon-to-be grandparents in San Francisco?<p>Having lived and traveled plenty, I think I can give a pretty honest assessment of Pittsburgh. The first thing I need to share is that this is a racist city. Granted, things have improved from the 80s when most of my Pittsburgh-born friends would think nothing of using the n-word. But I dismayed how often I still hear it from thirty-somethings. It is something I&#x27;ve never experienced outside of Pittsburgh. Check out &quot;The most racist places in America, according to Google&quot; in the Washington Post. A city can be amazing in many ways, but it is going to take a serious hit in terms of attracting a global diverse tech community with that shortcoming.<p>But now for the good stuff. First, as PG discussed and others did mention, Pittsburgh is now a great food city. I think it easily holds its own against cities much larger. Seconds (and related to first) the city is getting more diverse. The fact that the universities have become so diverse (~80 non-Anglo-Saxon) plays a manor role in this transition. Most of these people will not stay in Pittsburgh, but their presence does change the culture. More and more are staying or moving here to start their careers.<p>On the tech front, things have been slowly improving. CMU and Pitt have always fostered tech spin-offs, but things are really changing now with Google, Apple, Facebook, and Uber setting up research centers. Without a doubt, this is going to change Pittsburgh. You can already see the changes with the construction of hundreds of $2000+&#x2F;mo apartments in what used to be the &quot;ghetto&quot;. I am hopeful that this will change one of the current shortcomings of the local tech scene – that this is an &quot;eds and meds&quot; town, and if you want to get funded, you are more likely to meet with success if your business in that space.<p>Pittsburgh has MANY cool, walkable neighborhoods. This is a huge draw for young adults. There are up-and-coming hip, walkable neighborhoods were you can still buy a nice house for $80K. FIOS is readily available. Taxes are pretty average. The weather is relatively mild (granted, I came from upstate NY). The geography is beautiful - the rivers, the hills, the parks, etc. We have an excellent system of bike trails. I&#x27;ll be biking to DC later this spring.<p>Pittsburgh is very active on the city-data forums. There is no better place to put your finger on the pulse of a community in my opinion. You&#x27;ll find many threads on the issues I&#x27;ve discussed here. I remember reading a couple threads worth paraphrasing. In one, someone commented that Pittsburgh must be a very rich city because it has more mansions than any other city. He clearly didn&#x27;t understand the history of Pittsburgh and how much wealth was created during the industrialization of the early 20th century. But his assessment is accurate in that the city has WAY more than its fair share of mansions build during the timeframe when houses were built big and beautiful by craftsmen who cared. If you do move to Pittsburgh, do yourself and the city a favor and buy one of these diamonds in the rough and renovate. Another lasting legacy of the robber-baron era is that Pittsburgh has an amazing arts and cultural heritage.<p>In another interesting city-data thread, the discussion was on how Pittsburgh is still a place where people of average means can still live a middle-class life. The reason is two-fold. First, the cost of living is relatively low. But just as important is that Pittsburgh is a very hardworking and entrepreneurial city. This is the city that, in a sense, built itself and also much of the rest of the country. Steel, electricity, glass, etc. – they all came from Pittsburgh. That work ethic is still very much present. People here work hard, play hard, drink hard, and love their sports teams.<p>Sorry for the long post, but since so much of what I read on this thread wasn&#x27;t about Pittsburgh, I felt I had to help shift the balance back. Finally, check out pittsburghtoday.org which will tell you most everything, data-wise, that you&#x27;d want to know.
jrochkind1about 9 years ago
Sometimes I Feel Like I&#x27;m The Only One Trying To Gentrify This Neighborhood<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theonion.com&#x2F;blogpost&#x2F;sometimes-i-feel-like-im-the-only-one-trying-to-ge-11249" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theonion.com&#x2F;blogpost&#x2F;sometimes-i-feel-like-im-th...</a>
surfmikeabout 9 years ago
interesting perspective by ‏@kimmaicutler:<p>&quot;@paulg&#x27;s advice to Pittsburgh is <i>so</i> the opposite of what @sama, @justinkan want SF to do. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;paulgraham.com&#x2F;pgh.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;paulgraham.com&#x2F;pgh.html</a> &quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;kimmaicutler&#x2F;status&#x2F;720031161989267461" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;kimmaicutler&#x2F;status&#x2F;720031161989267461</a>
nxzeroabout 9 years ago
I would be curious if there&#x27;s ever been a city built from scratch with any success around startups; seems unlikely, unless it more of an R&amp;D city funded by a very large entity.
PhillyPhutureabout 9 years ago
Very similar dynamics happening in Philadelphia. Go PA!
krebbyabout 9 years ago
ctrl-f Duolingo. No matches.<p>Aside from Duolingo (who have been there for ages) and Uber (who aren&#x27;t really based there) what&#x27;s so exciting about Pittsburgh?
rdlabout 9 years ago
I would love to see this happen.<p>(I&#x27;d also love to see Portland Oregon, mentioned as an alternative, get the world-class research university it lacks now.)
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tacosabout 9 years ago
It&#x27;s as if he&#x27;s never spoken to a Carnegie Mellon grad as to why they get the hell out of Pittsburgh after graduation...
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shaneckelabout 9 years ago
As a yinzer, this is really fun to read.
hoodoofabout 9 years ago
Isn&#x27;t Silicon Valley a black hole with unrelenting monetary gravity that would pull all skilled software engineers down towards it? Any young developer who is any good will go from the minor leagues to the big league attracted by the cash, leaving Pittsburgh or whereever behind.<p>Budding &quot;Silicon Valleys&quot; would simply be the target of aggressive and unrelenting talent raids.
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swalshabout 9 years ago
I think VR has so much potential to make people in remote places work together in close productive ways, that I wouldn&#x27;t be surprised if the next silicon valley isn&#x27;t even a real place.