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Document 17 Declassified – 9/11 attackers may have had links to Saudi Arabia [pdf]

240 pointsby agjmillsabout 9 years ago

21 comments

dfsegoatabout 9 years ago
We should not be surprised. The Kingdom of Saud is rooted in wahhabism - an ultraconservative branch of Islam that also happens to be the primary influence of a little group called Daesh/ISIL.
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uptownabout 9 years ago
This document is different from the 28 pages that remain classified. For more info on that, read here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;28pages.org&#x2F;faq&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;28pages.org&#x2F;faq&#x2F;</a>
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patatesabout 9 years ago
This is hard to parse without any commentary. What should I, as an average person, take from this? Should I start to think Saudi Arabia as a terrorist country or is there room for interpretation?<p>I&#x27;m very sure, by intuition, that this is important but probably would have been more valuable with some opinions from people who are knowledgeable on the subject.
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samfisher83about 9 years ago
The title is a little misleading. Obviously the hijackers were mostly from Saudi. The document shows how those people were directly connected with government.<p>However in Saudi a ton of people work for the government so it isn&#x27;t surprising they had connections to Saudi government.
rmcabout 9 years ago
I thought everyone already knew this?
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geofftabout 9 years ago
I was curious about a source, especially since it seems like it was declassified almost a year ago. The same papers are available from .gov as:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.archives.gov&#x2F;declassification&#x2F;iscap&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;2012-048-doc17.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.archives.gov&#x2F;declassification&#x2F;iscap&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;2012-048...</a><p>The index page,<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.archives.gov&#x2F;declassification&#x2F;iscap&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;2012-048.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.archives.gov&#x2F;declassification&#x2F;iscap&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;2012-048...</a><p>calls it &quot;Saudi Notes&quot;. There&#x27;s one other set of &quot;Saudi Notes&quot; and some &quot;Saudi News Clips&quot; on that page.<p>Does anyone know what the declassification process was for these &#x2F; why they were declassified?
happyslobroabout 9 years ago
Is it unusual for nations to use terrorists, mercenaries, privateers for missions that they don&#x27;t want to be directly associated with? IIRC, the Russians and the Americans were doing this in the Middle East in the 20th century, and may still be doing it in Syria now.<p>Seems to me that the real news is that Saudi and America are able to be allies and enemies at the same time, not that they may have employed people who have the big T label.
mangelettiabout 9 years ago
I&#x27;d be curious to see whether any of the redacted sections are available via Illustrator[1].<p>1. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hackaday.com&#x2F;2008&#x2F;08&#x2F;01&#x2F;exposing-poorly-redacted-pdfs&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hackaday.com&#x2F;2008&#x2F;08&#x2F;01&#x2F;exposing-poorly-redacted-pdfs...</a>
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tremonabout 9 years ago
&quot;May have had&quot;?<p>I thought it was widely known that Osama Bin Laden was heavily financed from there? Also: wahabi?
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rrggrrabout 9 years ago
In 2012 Citigroup forecast that Saudi Arabia would run out of oil in 2030. If true, there must have been considerable anxiety in the years preceding 9&#x2F;11 as the Saudi government contemplated ways to offset its impending decline in reserves. Fortunately for the Saudis, 9&#x2F;11 was the catalyst for the fall of Iraq, a country with the largest unproven oil reserves in the region, and ideally located near Saudi refineries and export infrastructure. In the book Hotel California: The Clandestine War in Iraq, the author repeatedly claims the Bush Administration was divorced from reality... its scary to think the United States was manipulated into deposing Sadaam for the benefit of Saudi Arabia.
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dmixabout 9 years ago
Reading the quotes from this page give enough of an indication that there is more than just a connection between the hijackers and Saudi diplomats as was shown in this release, but specifically financing and involvement from well known figures at a seemingly significant level:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;28pages.org&#x2F;quotable&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;28pages.org&#x2F;quotable&#x2F;</a><p>&gt; When asked by 60 Minutes if the 28 pages include specific names: “Yes. The average intelligent watcher of 60 Minutes would recognize them instantly.”
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esquivalienceabout 9 years ago
Informant Codename: Muppet. Poor guy.
phatbyteabout 9 years ago
The timing couldn&#x27;t be better.
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jokoonabout 9 years ago
I&#x27;m afraid that this will put SA in a very bad position, bad enough to gain some hate from around the world.<p>The day this alliance between the US and SA starts to diminish or ends, it&#x27;s not going to be worrying. Muslims already get so much hate everywhere, if the home of Islam gets bad PR, the middle east will turn up worse than it already is. I hope I&#x27;m just being pessimistic here.
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arca_voragoabout 9 years ago
I&#x27;m curious about the repercussions for the British Monarchy and th Bushes due to their unnaturally cozy relationships.
dukoidabout 9 years ago
What a coincidence with the recent visit...
dsabaninabout 9 years ago
Looks like they might be getting some democracy soon!
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gaddersabout 9 years ago
Is anyone seriously shocked by this?
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emirbabout 9 years ago
not a HN content
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puppetmaster3about 9 years ago
O ba ma: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rt.com&#x2F;usa&#x2F;340313-obama-saudi-pages-classified&#x2F;#.VxebaXHmckE.facebook" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rt.com&#x2F;usa&#x2F;340313-obama-saudi-pages-classified&#x2F;#...</a>
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funkyyabout 9 years ago
I wonder if its part of Panama Leaks counter measures. Make US and SA look bad and make them hostile towards each other to cover up the leaks.