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Lawyers are Good People: A rebuttal of "Things your lawyer won't tell you"

8 pointsby dwwoelfelabout 15 years ago

7 comments

mindslightabout 15 years ago
Lawyers are hated because as a profession, they are responsible for creating the problems that are then "solved". If many doctors actually ran around wounding people, <i>all</i> doctors would get a bad rap, even the ones that were begrudgingly employed to heal.<p>Laws grow without bound as to their complexity, and one has no choice but to consult with a lawyer (for the better part of a grand) upon receiving any "legal" attention. That the average person is unable to understand the law and judge the merits of their case is <i>already</i> a violation of basic due process (nevermind the extremely high penalties that are always settled or pleaded down).<p>From the point of view of someone forced to retain a lawyer, the situation would be much better if <i>both</i> sides' lawyers didn't exist, even though their lawyer is actually helping them.
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jrockwayabout 15 years ago
A lot of lawyer hate here. I don't really get it; most of a lawyer's bad reputation comes from their client -- divorcing couples that can't divide their assets on their own, annoying IP-holders that send a C&#38;D for using their name in a review, etc., etc. None of these are bad lawyers; they're bad people paying lawyers. The lawyer just makes sure that what's happening is legally sound, they're not the ones initiating the action.<p>If we didn't have a legal system, disputes would be even less tasteful.
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mistermannabout 15 years ago
Is it just me, or does this fellow not seem entirely believable?? I started writing some rebuttal points, but then gave up as it would take too long.<p>I realize, the concept and enforcement of law is crucial to our way of life. However, the vast majority of work that is conducted by lawyers (on a dollar basis) is redundant. It is fairly well documented (in Canada at least) that lawyers have lobbied heavily, and succeeded, in shutting out paralegals from large subsets of their work.<p>I've dealt with lawyers on a few occasions, and it is almost always the same...they charge ungodly rates, they generally (after all, these are just normal people) have a marginal understanding of their craft.<p>In this day and age, a GOOD software developer has to know WAY more than a lawyer (after all, we can't just ask our assistant to figure something out for us)...not to mention, in software it seems everything changes totally about every 5-7 years.<p>And the ramble about standard forms, that they put so much work into refining for each particular client....you are just outright lying, period. I've been through this before. If you, as lawyers, want respect from people, then if you a re-using a contract template, you should notify us and charge us accordingly. I know you are going to charge me based on "value", but you imply that all of you are not using variations of the same template.<p>Long story short, I think you are lying, and you likely agree, but nothing ever will come of it. The beauty of law is that. a huge percentage of politicians are former lawers, so most of what they propose gets though legislation.<p>So, generally, I don't fault you for the money you make, you do server a purpose in society, but you can be faulted for manipulating legislation to make certain services only executeable by full on lawyers, etc., etc. etc. You know, there's a reason almost everyone thinks you are crooks, it's not just some stereotype we are told as children.<p>In my opinion, even though you are crucial in some scenarios,in the aggregate, you are thiefs (according to the dictionary definition), and your lobbying has made the world a worse place.
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dwwoelfelabout 15 years ago
Here's a link to the original submission of "Things your lawyer won't tell you" on HN:<p><a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1146976" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1146976</a>
gnosisabout 15 years ago
Also see:<p>"The Lawyer Myth: A Defense of the American Legal Profession"<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Lawyer-Myth-Defense-American-Profession/dp/0804011117/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Lawyer-Myth-Defense-American-Professio...</a>
headShrinkerabout 15 years ago
Sorry, but this rebuttal is a perfect example of turd polishing. The experience described in '16 Things Your Lawyer Won't Tell You' is exactly the experience I had with lawyers. After working with lawyers in the music industry and software industry, one thing is certain, lawyers are only practicing, but expect a big bill.
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greenlblueabout 15 years ago
Weak. I liked the other one better.