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Ask HN: Can the “Who is Hiring?” post include a bit about the interview process?

328 pointsby curiousgeekabout 9 years ago
It&#x27;s almost time for the monthly &quot;Who is Hiring&quot; thread!<p>Considering how much time we spend discussing tech interviews here, wouldn&#x27;t it be nice if each hiring post is accompanied by a line about the nature of the interview process?<p>Examples:<p>i) Interview process: two phone screens, 3 onsite whiteboard<p>ii) Interview process: two rounds on HackerRank, 5 onsite whiteboard<p>iii) Interview process: one take home assignment, 2 on site whiteboard, 1 pair programming session<p>That will help candidates prioritize which companies they want to contact first. Companies also benefit by the fact that the applicant has self-selected for their interview process.

25 comments

dangabout 9 years ago
It&#x27;s a good idea but I&#x27;m a bit worried about making those threads even more top-heavy than they already are by asking people to include even more info in their posts.<p>It might also be hard to explain what we&#x27;re asking submitters to do in a way that makes sense to everyone, especially the ones who don&#x27;t post on HN except in those threads.<p>We&#x27;ll think about it. There&#x27;s a couple days before the next thread.<p>Edit: ok, I added such a sentence. Let&#x27;s see if it improves the quality of the posts.
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llamatabootabout 9 years ago
I wish companies didn&#x27;t think their interviews were some weird &quot;secret sauce&quot; -- I&#x27;ve had companies flat out refuse to tell me what the interview process would be like, or even how long I should expect for the interview beyond &quot;1-4 hours&quot;. Well, you know 1 hour is a lot different than 4 hours!<p>Personally I think all companies should be using pair-programming or contract to hire, as I think trivia questions and whiteboarding are worse than useless. I&#x27;m happy to do take home work for a company I&#x27;m really interested in, but it does feel a little unfair and like a bit of a waste of time overall.
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gaza3gabout 9 years ago
This is a great idea. I&#x27;ve been in many interviews where I thought I did pretty well only to be told, &quot;oh, this is just the first of many interviews&quot;. I wouldn&#x27;t have applied if I had known since every onsite interview requires me to at least take half a day off from work. That is time that can be used for something else.<p>But I do have to mention that with the Big4, they will let you know in detail about the whole process during the phone interview so that&#x27;s cool by me.
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spitfireabout 9 years ago
Since this is appropriate to the (coming) subject, I&#x27;ll post this here.<p>Tokenadult isn&#x27;t around to chime in here, so I&#x27;ll take his place today. Hunter and Schmit did a meta-study of 70 years of research on hiring criteria. [1] There are three attributes you need to select for to identify performing employees in intellectual fields.<p><pre><code> - General mental ability (Are they generally smart) Use WAIS or if there are artifacts of GMA(Complex work they&#x27;ve done themselves) available use them as proxies. - Work sample test. NOT HAZING! As close as possible to the actual work they&#x27;d be doing. Try to make it apples-to-apples comparison. - Integrity (The first two won&#x27;t matter if the candidate is a sociopath). </code></pre> This alone will get you &gt; 65% hit rate. [1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;mavweb.mnsu.edu&#x2F;howard&#x2F;Schmidt%20and%20Hunter%201998%20Validity%20and%20Utility%20Psychological%20Bulletin.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;mavweb.mnsu.edu&#x2F;howard&#x2F;Schmidt%20and%20Hunter%201998%...</a><p>One of these companies should hire me to do data driven recruiting.
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JDiculousabout 9 years ago
Before even that, I&#x27;d rather see salaries posted. Only a disappointingly small number of companies post salary information.
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repsilatabout 9 years ago
The posts that are transparent about the interview seem to have positive responses, too -- I distinctly remember seeing Compose&#x27;s listings with comments like this one:<p>&gt; <i>great hiring process and response from the team, even though I didn&#x27;t get the job I enjoyed my application process</i><p>What better feedback (or recommendation) could you ask for?<p>That said, I need a little more convincing that always including this information will increase the quality of the listings. For Compose this set them apart, for most places I&#x27;d guess there&#x27;s a pretty common pattern, and for the terrible places they just may not say.<p>Much as I think the ONSITE&#x2F;REMOTE thing was a success, I think this might be better left to happen culturally rather than by fiat. Happy to be convinced otherwise, though.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11014670" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11014670</a>
rdlabout 9 years ago
I&#x27;d prefer if this material were posted as part of the job descriptions on the website. (it&#x27;s useful beyond just to the whoishiring crowd). Making it a <i>mandatory</i> part of the job postings would be a pain for the people who write them, and I wouldn&#x27;t want to deter postings.<p>(Sometimes the interview process gets modified per candidate, too.)
swarajabout 9 years ago
Never applied to a job through HN, but about to post a req for my company. I&#x27;m definitely going to add a little blurb about the interview process in my post here. What else do people find useful in posts like this?
noarchyabout 9 years ago
If I could blacklist companies that do whiteboard interviews, for example, I&#x27;d do it. I&#x27;m not expecting most companies to show their hand, though, precisely because of how unpopular these practices have become.
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gauravmukabout 9 years ago
I would love if someone can mention these things too: 1. For remote jobs, the timezones that they are comfortable with. 2. If they can sponsor overseas candidates.<p>This would make it easier for the candidates
ivankiriginabout 9 years ago
I wrote a bit about YesGraph&#x27;s engineering interview process <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.yesgraph.com&#x2F;ditching-traditional-interviews&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.yesgraph.com&#x2F;ditching-traditional-interviews&#x2F;</a>
BuckRogersabout 9 years ago
This is a good idea. I&#x27;d also suggest adding &quot;do you respect the 8 hour workday&quot;? I&#x27;d like to know up front which companies to discard.
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bobwaycottabout 9 years ago
It&#x27;d be cool if companies started adding a &#x2F;hiring.txt or &#x2F;interview.txt to their sites with this info. Then they could just link it and avoid cluttering the threads even more.
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pumblechookabout 9 years ago
Yes! It needn&#x27;t be a lot of detail either. Example: I interviewed with a leading UX consulting firm, and they were very up front about the process. It was essentially 1 short take home assignment (30 mins), 1 phone screen (30 mins), 1 longer take home assignment (4-8 hours), and 1 full day of on site interviews where you have to give an hour long presentation. I didn&#x27;t get the job, but it was by far the best and most transparent interview process I&#x27;ve been through.<p>Edit: on a side note, I really wish more companies would provide honest feedback to the candidate during the interview process. Especially when you&#x27;ve invested significant time into an interview process and are ultimately rejected, it is beyond frustrating to ask for feedback and just hear crickets, or a generic &quot;other candidates are a better fit&quot;, etc...
Geeketteabout 9 years ago
In addition to details on the interview process, postings would definitely be more useful if they also included:<p>- Expected duration of interview(s). 1-2 hours differs drastically from all day.<p>- Salary within 10k. If hiring for multiple positions or skill ranges (e.g. mid-to-snr engr), then state salary for each case. Companies complain about noise in hiring process, yet won&#x27;t do one key thing that would improve quality by getting applications from only those interested in X job at Y wage.<p>- An <i>honest</i> estimate of hiring timeline. Don&#x27;t waste people&#x27;s time by saying &quot;yesterday&quot; only to drag it out by months. Applicants can also address this by asking companies who they hired last and how long it took to do so.
greenyodaabout 9 years ago
This seems like a good idea. I&#x27;ve sent an e-mail to our moderators to bring this post to their attention in case they missed it.
edsiper2about 9 years ago
Note that not all companies have a &quot;fixed&quot; interview process, after the first interview it can change based on the applicant background (proof of experience).
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MaggieLabout 9 years ago
I find it extremely depressng that all the offered examples include whiteboarding ... a.k.a. &quot;the Stone Tablet Anti-Pattern&quot;<p>See <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;channel9.msdn.com&#x2F;Events&#x2F;ALM-Summit&#x2F;ALM-Summit-3&#x2F;Technical-Interviewing-You-re-Doing-it-Wrong" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;channel9.msdn.com&#x2F;Events&#x2F;ALM-Summit&#x2F;ALM-Summit-3&#x2F;Tec...</a>
kevindeasisabout 9 years ago
What is your guys&#x27; go-to strategy in getting an interview?<p>Especially, if you are a recent grad in Canada (AB) how do you get more job interviews? Especially for top tech companies?<p>Like how do you arrange your resume so it passes the key word scan.<p>Who do you pass your resume to?<p>Which websites should you go to?
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SFJulieabout 9 years ago
wages, interview process, financial structure, link to SEC report or anything relevant according to national law, legal structure, owners, involvement in legal action either as a defender or as an offender ...<p>It could be nice to have the information that are hard to gather otherwhise.<p>It is as true for workers as for companies that a new position is a risk, but, while companies can ask for references, workers have no ways to ask for &quot;references&quot; themselves. This asymmetry benefits companies much more than workers, it would make workers more &quot;trustful&quot; if companies were showing good will in evening the gap.
aprdmabout 9 years ago
I&#x27;ve interviewed at Intercom in Dublin and they gave their whole process upfront. Including the questions they made in two steps.<p>It&#x27;s all in their website.<p>I didn&#x27;t get the role, failed the last step but really enjoyed the interview process.
dguaragliaabout 9 years ago
This would definitely help a lot of people who are entering the market and interviewing for the first time.
formula_ningunaabout 9 years ago
where are all the posts &quot;who is hiring, who wants to be hired, seeking a freelancer?&quot; for May 2016?
kafkaesqabout 9 years ago
A more helpful (accurate) description, for many startups, would probably go like this:<p><i>Interview process: one 4-hour take-home assignment (which may or may not be properly articulated, and which, in any case, there&#x27;s a fairly good chance we may never respond to); 3 on-site whiteboarding sessions (the first conducted by someone whose first words to you are &quot;man, I&#x27;m hungover!&quot;; the second, by a pair of disinterested devs from another team, apparently shanghaied into covering for someone else, who take turns boredly rushing you through algorithm questions, while the other plays with his phone; and the third by the resident math genius who walks into the room well past the time they said you&#x27;d be done, says &quot;Hey, got time for another?&quot; and proceeds to grill you on a mis-stated graph search problem that ends up having a null solution class); and finally, a pair-programming session on some made up problem which you&#x27;re required to use certain clearly unsuitable data structures to solve (resulting in clearly unusable performance in any real system) &quot;because it&#x27;s easier, and because I wanna see how you think. Look, just tell me what to type, OK?&quot;</i><p>Only to be told 2 weeks later, when you timidly beg the HR contact for an &quot;update&quot;, that you aren&#x27;t a &quot;culture fit.&quot;
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knownabout 9 years ago
They may not want to disclose the project you&#x27;re going to work