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46 pointsby IamFermatabout 9 years ago

9 comments

sveng1826about 9 years ago
I&#x27;ve been out of the loop on this discussion -- when was it concluded that diversity is a critical thing for tech companies to focus on? The article makes some really strong recommendations are not backed up by anything in the text:<p>&quot;If you’re an early stage startup with little to no diversity, you are in trouble and need to fix it fast.&quot;<p>&quot;For everyone who has the vision and courage to push forward aggressively: What if your whole team spent 25 percent of their time on diversity and inclusion efforts?&quot;<p>&quot;Think about your biases  —  we all have them  —  and how they affect your actions and perspective. Then ask people to teach you even more, and pay them for their time to show that you believe diversity work is hard and valuable.&quot;<p>I agree completely there are issues with, say, gender makeup (10% in SV vs 50% female overall), but this is a pipeline issue and I don&#x27;t see tech companies having a very big impact here. A better, more direct approach would be to spend time explicitly promoting tech to girls in the K-12 system.<p>One final point: I decided to create a throwaway to post this because I am confident that I would be pilloried by people in these organizations if I were to bring up these points with my real name attached. There is not a healthy climate of discussion around this topic right now.
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woahabout 9 years ago
Interesting that they use the term &quot;underrepresented people of color&quot; rather than just &quot;underrepresented groups&quot;. This may be because whites (people of European descent) are actually an underrepresented group in tech. Compare the percentage of whites in tech company diversity reports with the percentage in the US population.
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ztratarabout 9 years ago
Great project and hope Ellen + team can help many people. :]
dwoopintabout 9 years ago
Has YC considered mandatory diversity training for YC founders? What percentage of time do founders spend on diversity and inclusion during YC?<p>“If you’re an early stage startup with little to no diversity, you are in trouble and need to fix it fast.” (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;projectinclude.org&#x2F;moving_forward&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;projectinclude.org&#x2F;moving_forward&#x2F;</a>)
mmanfrinabout 9 years ago
Post just submitted and already the comment section is a graveyard.
zxcvcxzabout 9 years ago
Someone should create a startup to sell people based on their level of privilege to other startups who want to &quot;diversify&quot;.
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studentrobabout 9 years ago
&quot;Can these women save Silicon Valley?&quot; [1]<p>Whoa. This group has some bold positions.<p>I think it&#x27;s great for women to encourage each other and other underrepresented groups to join tech. I also think it is true that some youth get inspired to study tech when they see successful professional people with whom they share something in common. And, I believe that some level of diversity is a useful part of education and the advancement of society.<p>That said, I wonder what is reasonable to expect of companies that are separate from government. Should the percentage of LGBT for a given job match that of the local community who is skilled in that job? What if certain companies are popular among LGBTs? Should their competitors be chastised for not being able to hire enough LGBT from the local community? It all sounds too complicated to monitor in bulk. Cases of discrimination are just that -- case by case. US law already protects people from being discriminated against during hiring and employment. And while it may not work out to everyone&#x27;s satisfaction 100% of the time, the US is miles ahead of China, for example, on this front.<p>&gt; Companies should improve opportunities for all employees, including all underrepresented groups (gender, race, class, age, religion, disability, education, sexual orientation, and others).<p>I&#x27;m confused by this statement. They want companies to give equal opportunities to all people. Isn&#x27;t this already covered by law? Companies cannot discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin [2].<p>Also, what is the education group? Like, non-high school grads, high school and college grads?<p>The more I read about it, the more it sounds like they are saying <i>&quot;please create more jobs for more people&quot;</i>.<p>Maybe it will become more clear when they start to share data and reports.<p>Ultimately, we&#x27;re all part of some group that is persecuted by others, even wealthy white folks. We all get depressed and blame it on our environment from time to time.<p>The most important thing is that these values of equality are ingrained in the laws of society. And in the US, they are. Each year they get better. Gay marriage was passed, and we&#x27;re now attempting to make some simplifications to the ginormous lawbook with things such as Basic Income. That&#x27;s natural. It&#x27;s a result of us collectively realizing that piece by piece we put together a puzzle that says &quot;support everyone&quot;.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;bethanye&#x2F;status&#x2F;727627253715062784" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;bethanye&#x2F;status&#x2F;727627253715062784</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eeoc.gov&#x2F;facts&#x2F;qanda.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eeoc.gov&#x2F;facts&#x2F;qanda.html</a>
galistocaabout 9 years ago
Like sveng1826 mentioned, a lot of statements have absolutely no logical ground and they&#x27;re just condescending remarks telling people what they should do.<p>Of course it would be nice if companies focused on diversity, and I think large companies should definitely think more about it, but telling small startups to do it is wrong at best and exploitative at worst (personal agenda).<p>I would like to know of any successful company that focused 25% of their time thinking about diversity during their early startup stage. Thinking about diversity 25% of the times means you&#x27;re thinking less about your customers 25% of the time. This type of company will probably not be around the next year--Congrats, your diverse company is now gone! I&#x27;m sure your employees are all happy!--So I wonder where she pulls &quot;if you&#x27;re an early stage startup with little to no diversity, you&#x27;re in trouble and need to fix it fast.&quot; out of. There&#x27;s no evidence, and logically it doesn&#x27;t make sense. It&#x27;s just her own entitled sense of justice (which I don&#x27;t even believe is genuine).<p>I&#x27;m not saying diversity is not needed, I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s right to capitalize on social trend by misleading the public. Basically the narrative nowadays is &quot;Let&#x27;s shame and punish all these companies that are not thinking about diversity&quot;, and I think that&#x27;s as bad as those companies neglecting diversity, in a witch-hunt sort of way.
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drumheadabout 9 years ago
Sort of reminds me of Orwells 1984
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