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European Central Bank to withdraw €500 note

26 pointsby tetraodonpufferabout 9 years ago

10 comments

biztosabout 9 years ago
I get that large bills provide more opportunities for conterfeiters, money launderers, and other (in the eyes of the State) bad actors, I am surprised to see how low the line is being drawn. In the US they only go up to $100.[0]<p>The worrying thing is simply that it&#x27;s in the State&#x27;s interest to have every monetary transaction be electronic and thus entirely traceable, also in aggregate; whereas it&#x27;s in my interest to be able to spend (or loan, or give away) my money privately.<p>The lower the available currency denominations, the more this balance shifts towards the State.<p>[0]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.treasury.gov&#x2F;resource-center&#x2F;faqs&#x2F;Currency&#x2F;Pages&#x2F;denominations.aspx" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.treasury.gov&#x2F;resource-center&#x2F;faqs&#x2F;Currency&#x2F;Pages...</a>
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claudiusabout 9 years ago
Okay, I understand that there are not <i>that</i> many usecases for a 500€ note and whenever I paid something &gt;500€ in cash, I appreciated the flexibility of 50€ notes. But that Harvard Kennedy School also asked for the withdrawal of £50 and $100 notes? Again, $100 is probably not that useful, 100€ notes were usually a nice touch for Christmas gifts by parents&#x2F;grandparents.<p>But £50? ATMs tend to give me a bunch of 50€ notes and I like them. Everybody likes them. They’re not too large that you can still buy gum with one and not too small that your wallet is all cluttered up. I understand that £50 is slightly more, but not that much more to go down to £20&#x2F;20€ for it.
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nojaabout 9 years ago
<i>Senior ECB officials said at the time [in 2016] that they needed more evidence that the notes facilitated criminal activity.</i><p>So did they find the evidence or not? The article omits this information.
arprocterabout 9 years ago
Surprised it took them so long to get rid of them.<p>From an article[0] I found from when the UK decided to stop dealing with 500s<p>&quot;many British gangsters stored their spoils in the form of €500 notes. While £1m weighs 50kg in £20 notes, the same value weighs only 2.2kg in €500 notes. This has made life easier for a growing number of criminals, since the euro&#x27;s introduction in 2002. Should you wish, for example, you can swallow €150,000 in €500 notes, or hide €20,000 of them a cigarette packet&quot;<p>[0]<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.independent.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;uk&#x2F;crime&#x2F;goodbye-to-the-note-of-ill-repute-1972192.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.independent.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;uk&#x2F;crime&#x2F;goodbye-to-the-no...</a>
_nalplyabout 9 years ago
«Swiss 1,000-franc note here to stay, says national bank. Switzerland vows to keep world’s most valuable single-denomination note despite ECB moves to pull its €500 note to help fight crime and terrorism.»<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;2016&#x2F;feb&#x2F;16&#x2F;1000-swiss-franc-note-here-to-stay-swiss-national-bank" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;2016&#x2F;feb&#x2F;16&#x2F;1000-swiss-...</a><p>Fr. 1000 is around $1000. I got my car in exchange for fifteen of these purple beauties five years ago.
boulosabout 9 years ago
Now let&#x27;s see if the 1000 CHF note is still here to stay (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;2016&#x2F;feb&#x2F;16&#x2F;1000-swiss-franc-note-here-to-stay-swiss-national-bank" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;2016&#x2F;feb&#x2F;16&#x2F;1000-swiss-...</a>). I assume that the 1000 CHF note is only sort of useful, because you can&#x27;t launder it nearly as easily. With a 500 Euro note, you can spread them around and deposit them in many countries. With a pile of 1000 CHF notes, someone is going to notice.
TazeTSchnitzelabout 9 years ago
Supposedly they were nicknamed &#x27;Bin Ladens&#x27; in some places, due to the association with money laundering. I have no idea how true that is.<p>Something we do actually know, though, is that Osama himself had two of them sewn into his clothing at the time of his death.<p>The €500 note was one of the world&#x27;s most valuable banknotes. There&#x27;s no denomination anywhere near it for, say, dollars or pounds or whatever.
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SeanCrawfordabout 9 years ago
In Canada, when I needed over a $1,000 to pay my dentist I happily carried a $1,000 note.<p>Of course, I had to order it from my bank and wait until the next time they had money being shipped in. It&#x27;s a happy memory that I can never repeat, because the $1,000 bills are no longer made here: (or in the U.S.)Although we haven&#x27;t declared war on drugs we do have concerns about crime.
jmedwardsabout 9 years ago
From Wikipedia:<p>&gt; The Serious Organised Crime Agency claimed that &quot;90% of all €500 notes sold in the UK are in the hands of organised<p>crime&quot;, revealed during an eight-month analysis. Seems like the mere existence of the 500 euro notes and those stupid enough to use them presents a pretty good profiling opportunity.
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rtz12about 9 years ago
The ECB is most probably one of the biggest threats to freedom that we currently face.
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