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The slow death of purposeless walking (2014)

229 pointsby darrhiggsabout 9 years ago

41 comments

kleibaabout 9 years ago
There were times in my life (thesis writing) where I&#x27;d go and sit in the library all day to work and come home in the early evening. The psychological stress on me during that time was tremendous. Every evening, after coming home, I&#x27;d have a small dinner and then go for a one-hour walk, always the same route. At that time, I lived in a small town, and my route would take me down a dead-end street, across another one, and then on to the fields where there weren&#x27;t any cars and hardly any people. Just a wide space with a bit of a view. This was usually just before sunset. Continuing on, I would eventually get back to a different part of the town I lived, I had to climb up some stairs and walk through a quiet neighborhood before getting back to my own street. All in all, it took around one hour to walk that way.<p>I believe that this process really helped me save my sanity during that time of extended mental stress. I could literally air our my brain, and also get some mild physical activity after sitting in the library all day. I tried really hard not to think about my thesis, but just to take in the scenery, the light, the wind. Sometimes it rained. It was really healthy.<p>In contrast, I remember a former co-worker telling me about a road trip they once did. I think it was in Arizona, but I might be wrong. Anyway, after driving for many hours, they decided to take a break and just to walk down the road for a few minutes before hitting the road again.<p>So they pulled over and started walking. Sure enough, in no time, they get stopped by the cops who inquire what the heck the are doing! They weren&#x27;t walking on the road or in any otherwise dangerous fashion -- but apparently in that area, just being out and about on foot was enough of a reason to be considered suspicious. :-)
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mseebachabout 9 years ago
&gt; But are people losing their love of the purposeless walk?<p>BBC Magazine strikes again.<p>No, they&#x27;re not losing it, it&#x27;s not &quot;slowly dying&quot;. Did &quot;people&quot; at large ever have that? Having the time and energy to go aimlessly wandering was a luxurious privilege until very recently. If anything, the existence of &quot;[a] number of recent books [that] have lauded the connection between walking - just for its own sake - and thinking&quot; would suggest that walking is enjoying a renaissance - this time for the masses.<p>&gt; Many now walk and text at the same time. There&#x27;s been an increase in injuries to pedestrians in the US attributed to this. One study suggested texting even changed the manner in which people walked.<p>&gt; It&#x27;s not just texting. This is the era of the &quot;smartphone map zombie&quot; - people who only take occasional glances away from an electronic routefinder to avoid stepping in anything or being hit by a car.<p>This is pure Marie Antoinette. 200 years ago, peasants would only glance up from their plows to avoid hitting a rock in the field, or whatever, and surely the savants of the time deplored that as well.<p>Here&#x27;s a thought: Most people walking around in the city aren&#x27;t out on an Dickensque intellectually stimulating aimless wander, they&#x27;re not out to tread a deep mental path in the words of Thoreau, they are in transit between two places, we could vulgarly call them &quot;work&quot; and &quot;home&quot;, and the transit bit is an undesired period of downtime. You&#x27;ll have to be an intellectual to problematise their choice of filling that period with something else than romantic observation of the very same surroundings they look at twice daily for years.
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tinbucketabout 9 years ago
Walking is, I think, a combination of habit and culture.<p>Both sets of my grandparents, from opposite ends of the country, used to walk quite a lot without any real purpose for doing so. They did this well into their 80s, and so did their friends. It seemed just to be something they did, and always had done.<p>My parents, by contrast, almost never walk when they can drive, and will often drive to a park to let their dog off rather than walk her there and back. Many of my friends are the same. One goes so far as to drive five minutes, then deals with parking and paying for it, to get his lunch every day rather than simply walking for the same length of time -- he spends more time in traffic in his car than actually moving.<p>One colleague of mine at my last job was amazed that I walked from the train station to the office -- a walk of less than 10 minutes at a brisk pace; it didn&#x27;t even occur to her to ask about how I&#x27;d covered the mile-and-a-half from my home to the train station at the other end. My total commute was about the same distance as hers, but it took me less time, cost me slightly less, and got me some exercise into the bargain.<p>Some evenings, my fiancée and I would go for a walk of a couple of miles just to get out of the house, or to enjoy warm weather, or just because.<p>Since leaving that job, I walk less overall. I also have a dog, now, the walking of whom replaced most of the purposeless walking I used to do in the evenings. Most of my walking, now, has &#x27;purpose&#x27; because it&#x27;s exercising the dog, or taking her out for toilet breaks.
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tluyben2about 9 years ago
I walk insane lengths as it clears the mind and fosters creativity. I talk into my phone during that; either to colleagues or to a recorder and then type it in at home (no, speech to text does not work; if someone wants to work with me to get that working, that would be great but for now, it does not even work a bit; only gibberish comes out; it seems to have something to do with my way of talking which I am trying to fix but I type faster than I talk anyway). Because I walk so much (through the mountains here) and my brain works better while walking, I really work on programming on the go. I want to be able to program while walking and besides discussing code with a colleague while there is internet (which is not everywhere in the mountains) I cannot code while walking which annoys me. I get ideas and want to try them right away. Now I have to sit down, get out my pandora and try it. I want to try it while walking. I believe I will find a way of doing that eventually but everything I tried (from primitive AR to Scratch like programming languages) doesn&#x27;t really work well. The thing is ; I can text chat fine while walking so why not coding... I know why but I try to somehow resolve it anyway.<p>The purposelessness here is the time between I want&#x2F;need to write code or talk; that&#x27;s most of the walk.<p>Edit: one of the findings is that you basically should not need any scrolling&#x2F;dragging within small distances; like scrolling to a part of code and dragging your cursor to make changes for instance. This includes dragging&#x2F;dropping the Scratch visual code; it doesn&#x27;t work while walking.
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jokoonabout 9 years ago
Wasn&#x27;t this already posted on hackernews? I&#x27;ve already read it, and I was a little curious because that&#x27;s a little what I started to do last year (my apartment and school started to feel like a prison cell).<p>I just walk in my city to explore, preferably greener, quiet areas without car traffic, but I always plan a zone I&#x27;ll go to. I use offline openstreetmap (OSMAND) on my smartphone. I try to go to different places when I can, but it&#x27;s difficult as green places are too remote. Public transport can boost me, but I usually take off from home and try to make a looped route.<p>To me it helps &quot;loosening&quot; my focus, so I can think a little more creatively. I just talk with myself. I don&#x27;t have a time where I know I have to go home, I don&#x27;t plan. Walking is a physical exercise (at least for me, I sleep better), which make the blood flow, so you&#x27;re not as much anxious when you sit for too long.<p>I don&#x27;t want to sound like a crazy hobo, but cubicles, houses, apartments and dense urban areas can feel like prisons. It&#x27;s not just about the physical exercise, it&#x27;s about being in the large outdoors and not controlling your behavior because there are civilized people around you. If all you do is work and gym, it won&#x27;t feel very good.<p>Maybe all of this is in my head, and my unconscious just pretends it&#x27;s good. But I know that I can&#x27;t be creative at home.<p>Also try to watch that speech about creativity by the monty python head guy. He gave really good insights about how to put oneself in a position where you can be creative. You need large spaces, relative silence, freedom from behaving like you want, etc.
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jflatowabout 9 years ago
I tend to bite my nails, especially when I&#x27;m programming or deep in thought. Last year I decided to start walking whenever I reach that point where I am fidgeting and can&#x27;t sit still. It&#x27;s totally changed the way I work for the better. I walk between 10-20 miles per day, and can get a lot of work done on those walks. Highly recommended, especially for people living in places with good weather and beautiful scenery.
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MicroBertoabout 9 years ago
My version of &quot;taking a walk&quot; is swimming laps.<p>My finest work is accomplished in the pool, going back and forth. Been a swimmer all my life, and if I don&#x27;t get at least a swim or two in each week, things start to turn to shit. It&#x27;s my meditation, and despite being the most boring thing on earth for some people, it&#x27;s one of my favorite things to do.<p>Many introverted mathematical minds would <i>love</i> it, but you gotta learn proper technique to be able to really get into a good careless rhythm. I highly recommend it.<p>It&#x27;s a thinking man&#x27;s sport.
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VladimirGolovinabout 9 years ago
I just can&#x27;t function without a daily walk (~5-6km or 3-4 miles). If I don&#x27;t take my walk, I can&#x27;t wind down after a day of work and can&#x27;t sleep properly. No purpose, no soundtrack, no smartphone - except when I want to write down some ideas that came to me during the walk.
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mouzoguabout 9 years ago
I personally find it much easier to think deeply whilst doing some tedious repetitive task like ironing or cleaning the house as opposed to while walking. Living in a big city I find walking can be quite stressful and distracting - even in a park.
tomkat0789about 9 years ago
Back during my PhD quals, I used to just walk in a circle around my smallish apartment complex to blow off stress. Once I even met my roommate doing them same thing on one of my laps!<p>More often I&#x27;d walk around some trees around the university campus. When out for a stroll, I can take a different perspective on things and let my mind wander without being tempted to open a new tab and browse HackerNews or something. I think I&#x27;ve planned a lot of research just by walking around. Sitting in front of my computer, my mind is stuck in the mode of &quot;Do something. Do something.&quot;
raverbashingabout 9 years ago
I like walking, biking is not for me, so I walk<p>And yes, you have a different perspective of the city when you do it. Because it&#x27;s easier to realize how places connect<p>Yes, it won&#x27;t take you as far as a bike, but it&#x27;s doable<p>You can walk to work if possible, get on an earlier stop if going by public transport, or, I dunno, just walk around the block if you have to park at your work.
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kristofferRabout 9 years ago
There&#x27;s regularly articles in Norwegian newspapers about how weird the Norwegian culture of purposeless walking is to foreigners and tourists, so it&#x27;s probably not dead in Norway at least.
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burmerabout 9 years ago
I love walking, but this article really bothers me, so I&#x27;m going to get a little sarcastic. Am I the only one who finds this entire article incredibly ironic? The author is trying to defend &quot;purposeless&quot; walking, but which is actually very purposeful! The loss of &#x27;purposeless&#x27; walking is seen by the author as a loss of Creative Thinking. We&#x27;re so busy with other smaller tasks, we&#x27;re not setting aside enough time (like we used too, in the good ol&#x27; days) to think up all our really valuable thoughts! It would be one thing if they highlighted the relaxation, health benefits, de-stressing, etc., of walking, but that is clearly not the point: rattling off a list of Great Minds, and their Great Achievements whom we would benefit from emulating. The point of the article clearly is not to get people to take more breaks or curb their their obsession with work. Really it&#x27;s a sneaky backdoor lifehack sermon: you&#x27;re not good enough or creative enough, and you should pencil in some mindful unstructured time into their schedule to boost your Really Important thinking output by 10-15%.
jcadamabout 9 years ago
Two years ago, I moved from Northern VA to the Florida coast. My house is about 4 blocks from the beach. The wife and I have taken to going on longish walks along the beach after dinner (or even just around the neighborhood on occasion). I&#x27;m usually lost in thought, so not much conversation happens, but I enjoy the walks.<p>In NOVA, we lived in a fairly dense townhouse development with significant vehicle traffic and going for walks was just not very pleasant (and the weather certainly wasn&#x27;t as nice - especially in the winter). We&#x27;ve both lost a decent amount of weight since we moved here :)<p>I absolutely <i>loathe</i> big cities, which I know is a severe handicap for a software developer, especially since I&#x27;ve found remote work isn&#x27;t actually a real thing. I do have a rather mundane job here (fairly low stress, 40 hrs&#x2F;week CRUD stuff), but I&#x27;m not moving (besides, I have my side projects to keep me challenged) :)
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albertojaciniabout 9 years ago
Walking helps me in solving programming issues.<p>When I find myself stuck and my mind starts to loop around, I need to force myself to take a purposeless walk, around my office&#x27;s block or little more. During the walk I stop thinking about the problem for a while and then resume from a new angle. It normally works very well.
lettergramabout 9 years ago
Every day, I walk from the ferry building in SF to 4th Street and back for work. I look at it as the time I can enjoy the city and <i>never</i> (or try to never) think of issues I am having. It relieves a lot of stress, as I look at the faces of pasaers by, and the buildings.<p>Prior to college, during college, and even now, my wife&#x2F;wife-to-be and I took an hour walk in the evening (and sometimes morning). It&#x27;s something I always use(d) to relieve stress.<p>The thing is, most people thought we were kind of weird. Back where we are from we literally used to walk next or through corn fields and the town was definitely not design for walking. We made it work, but I can see why walking is dying a slow death.
hownottowriteabout 9 years ago
A few good reads on walking, purposeless or otherwise:<p>&quot;A Philosophy of Walking&quot; by Frédéric Gros<p>&quot;Wanderlust&quot; by Rebecca Soinit<p>&quot;The Old Ways&quot; by Robert Macfarlane (or really anything by him)<p>&quot;Walking Home&quot; by Simon Armitage
pivoabout 9 years ago
I have a 35 minute walking commute in Boston, through the public gardens, which can be very beautiful. While it&#x27;s not aimless, it does seem to have offer of the benefits that I get from aimless walking, which I also do fairly often. A walking commute I see as my biggest job perk.<p>I&#x27;m always saddened to see so many people talking on their cell phones on my commute, especially in the public garden. It seems they either have no appreciation for walking or, worse, they&#x27;re afraid to be alone with themselves.
messelabout 9 years ago
My super power.<p>During the week I walk a loop in the morning (9.5miles) and when I have to commute to NY, it&#x27;s a few miles downtown,a brief lunchtime wander around, and a swift walk back up in the evening to Penn.<p>Part of my walking is for health reasons, part is due to a need to move about, part is meditation. My mind wanders while out for a good walk, it&#x27;s the most liberating feeling I experience.<p>My wife and I go for longer walks on the weekend, sometimes we chat, but often time we walk together in silence. It&#x27;s a guilty pleasure.
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srdevengabout 9 years ago
I pace. I do laps around the lab, between buildings and to the nearby beach when my mind gets jammed.<p>Used to think watching the waves would settle my mind. Being at the beach just makes me want to go surf.<p>Ive have had quite a few software design problems solve themselves during my 15min commute to work in the morning as well. I never listen to talk radio (NPR) as a result.
marmadukeabout 9 years ago
I&#x27;d hazard a neurological mechanism for this: walking feeds information to path integration mechanism which helps us form a spatial map of what&#x27;s around us. This same map is also considered a cognitive map which we can explore to find different solutions to the same intellectual problems, which we represent spatially.
elcapitanabout 9 years ago
Judging from the reactions here, doing something for no apparent reason has become quite a taboo. But why?<p>In German, there is a special verb for this, &quot;flanieren&quot;. When I look it up, I get &quot;to dander&quot;, which seems to be the root for &quot;dandy&quot;.
hyperpalliumabout 9 years ago
also, purposeless bicycling.<p>need to be away from traffic, so you don&#x27;t have to concentrate. a bike path - even better, a national&#x2F;state park.<p>but to clarify, it helps to have a destination, even though it&#x27;s not the &quot;purpose&quot;.
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staticelfabout 9 years ago
I walk a lot, but often with Podcasts and I find that to be very relaxing. Of course, I walk a lot without podcasts as well and I honestly don&#x27;t feel anything different.<p>I have to say though, I don&#x27;t listen to entertainment podcasts but rather thoughtful ones like msdevshow, startalk radio, fullstack radio and the changelog among others.<p>I also have a dog, so walking at least 3 times a day is a must and I guess that changes things. But I used to walk everyday for at least 1 hour before my dog was born, now I just have company.<p>Sometimes I find a place to be very beautiful then I usually absorb the moment.
Hoasiabout 9 years ago
See also the concept of &quot;Dérive&quot;[1] or purposeless walking as defined by Guy Debord[2] and used by the Letterist and Situationist movements.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Dérive" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Dérive</a> [2]: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cddc.vt.edu&#x2F;sionline&#x2F;si&#x2F;theory.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cddc.vt.edu&#x2F;sionline&#x2F;si&#x2F;theory.html</a>
cooper12about 9 years ago
Previous discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7679506" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7679506</a>.
hellofunkabout 9 years ago
One more to add to the list: J.S. Bach who walked some 200 miles to hear an organist play once. One of many legendary anecdotes about the man.
overgardabout 9 years ago
I love purposeless walks, but I think one of the quotes had a point about the self conscious nature of it. Even if you&#x27;re inconspicuous about it people treat it like you&#x27;re doing something weird. I blame suburbanization a bit. There are some neighborhoods where people just seem to assume you&#x27;re there to rob the joint if you don&#x27;t have a dog on a leash.
static_noiseabout 9 years ago
We now call it meditation.
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akeckabout 9 years ago
The article reminds me of a cute saying about getting &quot;exercise&quot; in a corporate environment, &quot;People think a person walking with purpose has a purpose for walking.&quot;
nurettinabout 9 years ago
Previous discussion (2014) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7679506" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7679506</a>
lmmabout 9 years ago
So is there any evidence for any of these supposed advantages of aimless walking? Or is this just a &quot;people should do things the way I did them&quot;?
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DrNukeabout 9 years ago
Wanderers were our ancestors and wanderers we are, gentrification and hipsterification in large cities are a notable exception.
canjobearabout 9 years ago
Can any of the walking enthusiasts posting here say whether using a treadmill desk conveys the same advantages?
jshellyabout 9 years ago
I&#x27;m surprised they did not mention Einstein. From what I&#x27;ve read he loved to take walks.
phantom_packageabout 9 years ago
One of the things I always look for in a new house&#x2F;apartment is a good PaceTrack.
erikpukinskisabout 9 years ago
I love walking. I would say roughly 50% of my hours programming are spent on foot.
neurobuddhaabout 9 years ago
I go on longs walks a lot, and a few months ago I bought a poker stick to pick up the plastic bottles I see littered everywhere. My walks are no longer purposeless, but I feel better when I come back with a garbage bag of plastic that will be recycled rather then end up in our soil and water supply.<p>Here&#x27;s the poker stick I bought: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.ca&#x2F;gp&#x2F;aw&#x2F;d&#x2F;B0042SNCGA&#x2F;ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.ca&#x2F;gp&#x2F;aw&#x2F;d&#x2F;B0042SNCGA&#x2F;ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UT...</a>
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tezzaabout 9 years ago
It is good to see purposeless news articles are still going strong
timwaaghabout 9 years ago
these bloggers can make everything look like spirituality these days to promote the latest book of Hipster. I walked yesterday. aimlessly. not because of my desire to be mindful or some kind of creativity boost or because i had aloe vera growing on top of my head. i did it because it was a national holiday and i was bored. of course, i came back enlightened like the buddha. i saw an elephant on somebody&#x27;s home decoration. and i had this funny idea for an association to promote the raping of elephants (sorry if you find this offensive). so yeah i guess it does make you more creative for some definition of &#x27;creative&#x27;. but please dear bloggers, dont go promote walking as some kind of mindfulness. please. or i might just translate my hard-gained &#x27;creativity&#x27; into action. Elephants across the world will thank you.
ameliusabout 9 years ago
The problem with walking is that it does little to the body. Your heart rate stays normal, and thus it is not a cardiovascular exercise.
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