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Connection Between Cell Phones and Cancer Has Been Found. Should We Be Worried?

26 pointsby chewymouseabout 9 years ago

9 comments

ptaipaleabout 9 years ago
Previous HN thread, with many of the problems in this publication discussed:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11784160" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11784160</a>
brownbatabout 9 years ago
Note that the irradiated group also lived longer. I&#x27;m surprised the headline didn&#x27;t read, &quot;New Study Finds Cancer Good for Your Health!&quot;<p>PSA: health research headlines are generally worse than worthless.<p>Also, remember, &quot;one study on rats&quot; will never be sufficient to correct anything physicists know about EM waves.<p>UPDATE: Here&#x27;s the WHO announcement explaining the 2B classification. I didn&#x27;t find it very satisfying, but judge for yourself: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.iarc.fr&#x2F;en&#x2F;media-centre&#x2F;pr&#x2F;2011&#x2F;pdfs&#x2F;pr208_E.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.iarc.fr&#x2F;en&#x2F;media-centre&#x2F;pr&#x2F;2011&#x2F;pdfs&#x2F;pr208_E.pdf</a>
extrapicklesabout 9 years ago
Here is the link to the actual paper: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;biorxiv.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;biorxiv&#x2F;early&#x2F;2016&#x2F;05&#x2F;26&#x2F;055699.full.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;biorxiv.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;biorxiv&#x2F;early&#x2F;2016&#x2F;05&#x2F;26&#x2F;055699.f...</a><p>The rats where exposed to more RF for 9 hrs a day than what is permissable for general public exposure to RF by various safety standards. It does seem like this was more of a study that found that pesticide killed butterflies by crushing them with it.<p>They calibrated the RF levels to be under that which causes heating, rather than levels humans typically are exposed to.<p>I would be worried about this increased cancer risk if I was a cell tower maintenance worker who liked to put in a days sleep while draped over the active antennas.
okketabout 9 years ago
A study with cancer happy rats does not mean there is a connection to humans.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;2011&#x2F;10&#x2F;massive-15-year-study-finds-no-link-between-cell-phones-cancer&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;2011&#x2F;10&#x2F;massive-15-year-study...</a>
neilellisabout 9 years ago
Short answer: NO<p>Sounds a lot like The Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy</a><p>Do enough studies and statistically speaking one of them will show a link. This is most likely a statistical outlier and without multiple iterations of this test a false conclusion can easily be created.<p>Also as other commentators have already pointed out there are other points of correlation such as longevity which have been conveniently ignored - again helping to reinforce the TSF :)
astrodustabout 9 years ago
I guess rats shouldn&#x27;t use cellular phones.
at-fates-handsabout 9 years ago
The funny thing is people have started to make a big deal out this and smartphones are required to emit less than 1.6 watts. This is in stark contrast to the many, many years, people were using 3 watt phones and nobody ever made a link between cancer and using phones that emitted much more than today&#x27;s cellphones.
ariendjabout 9 years ago
Is that a GSM or LTE connection?
timthelionabout 9 years ago
While this isn&#x27;t particularly worrying, it shows that all people who said that cell phone radiation simply cannot cause harm, who were convinced %100 that harm was impossible, that those people were just arogant baffoons.
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