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Canadian doctors reverse severe MS using stem cells

371 pointsby yurisagalovalmost 9 years ago

15 comments

wildmXranatalmost 9 years ago
I live in Canada. I just listened to one of the participants talk about the experience on the radio and I found it just incredible.<p>In her own words, &quot;She could not feel her body from the neck down. After the long and gruel ordeal procedure, she began to get sensation back. Things like hot and cold water began to be discernible. She no longer needed to hold both railings when walking down stairs in her home, needing a cane to get the mail, etc ...&quot;<p>She said that it gave her her life back. She said that in short time, she began to get bored with doing the regular, tired routine and actually got a part-time job.<p>I mean, all that sounds phenomenal.
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tempestnalmost 9 years ago
Sounds like another good reason to consider banking stem cells, as described here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11830407" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11830407</a><p>In this case the article describes using chemotherapy to stimulate generation of stem cells, then scrubbing them of the disease before reintroducing. I have no expertise in this field, but I would think having a bank of healthy stem cells would have simplified the procedure and perhaps improved the likelihood of positive outcomes.<p>@markkat if you&#x27;re reading this, do you have any comment?
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Hondoralmost 9 years ago
That all happened 15 years ago. The article mentions that it&#x27;s available at some hospitals, so that suggests it was ultimately successful and it&#x27;s now part of regular medicine. I suppose it&#x27;s still only for 5% of cases and only as a last resort and still most patients aren&#x27;t having any reversal of their disease. There doesn&#x27;t sound like much hope for it to expand to cure MS in general given how long it&#x27;s been with apparently no further progress.
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BurningFrogalmost 9 years ago
This is the tech support approach to the immune system:<p>Try turning it off and on again.
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jawnsalmost 9 years ago
Just in case anyone is wondering -- though at this point, isn&#x27;t it your first guess? -- the stem cells used in this therapy were adult stem cells, meaning they were collected from her own body, as opposed to embryonic stem cells.<p>I mention it here because the article doesn&#x27;t give that info until about half-way down.
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xor_nullalmost 9 years ago
Quite interesting. But something i don&#x27;t understand, MS causes immune cells to attack the myelin cells. Depending on the severe of the attack the myelin cells are completly destroyed or even the nerv cells themselves are destroyed. Recreating the immun cells would prevent the immun cells from attacking the myelin cells, but what happens to the tissues which are already destroyed? As far as i know, the body is not able to repair all kind of destroyed nerv cells &#x2F; myelin cells on his own. So how can this treatment help to repair&#x2F;recover already destroyed tissue?
hvsalmost 9 years ago
A similar (smaller) study was done back in 2003 with Crohn&#x27;s disease. The results were similar.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;bmt&#x2F;journal&#x2F;v32&#x2F;n1s&#x2F;full&#x2F;1703945a.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;bmt&#x2F;journal&#x2F;v32&#x2F;n1s&#x2F;full&#x2F;1703945a.html</a><p>A more recent, better controlled study found very little difference between traditional treatment, though.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.news-medical.net&#x2F;news&#x2F;20151218&#x2F;Stem-cell-therapy-not-significantly-better-than-conventional-treatment-for-Crohns-disease.aspx" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.news-medical.net&#x2F;news&#x2F;20151218&#x2F;Stem-cell-therapy-...</a>
kakonialmost 9 years ago
Related; Type 1 diabetes being also auto-immune disease. There have been now atleast 2 groups that have succesfully done &quot;cure&quot; using same kind of immune system reboot strategy.<p>few interesting links;<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cureresearch4type1diabetes.blogspot.fi&#x2F;2008&#x2F;12&#x2F;burts-brazilian-research.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cureresearch4type1diabetes.blogspot.fi&#x2F;2008&#x2F;12&#x2F;burts-...</a><p>and<p>[2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cureresearch4type1diabetes.blogspot.fi&#x2F;2010&#x2F;11&#x2F;snarski-confirms-burts-phase-i-results.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cureresearch4type1diabetes.blogspot.fi&#x2F;2010&#x2F;11&#x2F;snarsk...</a>
jeroenalmost 9 years ago
&gt; And there are questions about the very long-term effects. It’s not clear what the next 10, 20, or 50 years look like for patients like Molson.<p>Does that even matter? Molson would probably be dead right now if it weren&#x27;t for the treatment, not to mention an enormous increase in quality of life. Even if the treatment kills her in 10 years, she will have had 25 years of a proper life, versus a few more years of lying in bed.<p>Of course long term effects are interesting to study and see if there is room for improvement, but I don&#x27;t see them impact the validity of the treatment.
djaychelaalmost 9 years ago
There was a comment on this on BBC breakfast yesterday, with an MS specialist saying that it was promising, but not up to the hype that people were making over it? He said it was an Avenue to explore further, and looked to be a good technique, but there was a long way to go - he quoted the stats from the study, and certainly seemed to be familiar with it and the methodology used. Can&#x27;t find a link to it (it was an interview rather than a feature), alas.
indymikealmost 9 years ago
My Dad had MS and died earlier this year of pneumonia. MS is a horrible disease in every way. It&#x27;s debilitating, humiliating, and painful.<p>Hopefully this study can be repeated. So many studies using whatever is the trendy science of the day end up failing. This study looks hopeful and could be life changing in the best way possible. But it&#x27;s not the first study that has started with an amazing result.
reasonattlmalmost 9 years ago
Publicity materials: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eurekalert.org&#x2F;pub_releases&#x2F;2016-06&#x2F;tl-tln060816.php" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eurekalert.org&#x2F;pub_releases&#x2F;2016-06&#x2F;tl-tln060816....</a><p>Paper: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thelancet.com&#x2F;journals&#x2F;lancet&#x2F;article&#x2F;PIIS0140-6736(16)30169-6&#x2F;abstract" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thelancet.com&#x2F;journals&#x2F;lancet&#x2F;article&#x2F;PIIS0140-67...</a><p>The latest update for ongoing efforts to test destruction and recreation of the immune system in patients suffering from the autoimmune disease multiple sclerosis demonstrate that this approach is effectively a cure if the initial destruction of immune cells is comprehensive enough. Researchers have been able to suppress or kill much of the immune system and then repopulate it with new cells for about as long as the modern stem cell therapy industry has been underway, something like fifteen years or so. Methodologies have improved, but the destructive side of this process remains unpleasant and risky, something you wouldn&#x27;t want to try if there was any good alternative. Yet if not for the scientific and commercial success of immunosuppressant biologics such as adalimumab, clearance and recreation of immune cell populations may well have become the major thrust of research for other prevalent autoimmune conditions such as rheumatoid arthritis. Destroying these immune cell populations requires chemotherapy, however, and with avoiding chemotherapy as an incentive for patients, and the ability to sell people drugs for life as an incentive for the medical industry, biologics won. For conditions like rheumatoid arthritis, the aim became control and minimization of symptoms rather than the search for a cure. Only in much more damaging, harmful autoimmune conditions like multiple sclerosis has this research into wiping and rebuilding the immune system continued in any significant way.<p>It is worthy of note that while these trials were only enrolling a small minority of patients, the approach could be used on every patient. That tends to be the way trials work, picking a small subset. The driving factor for keeping the numbers small is the onerous and risky chemotherapy process.<p>Beyond being able to pinpoint which tissues are suffering damage due to inappropriately targeted immune cells, the underlying mechanisms of most autoimmune conditions are very poorly understood. Multiple sclerosis, for example, results from immune cells attacking the myelin sheathing essential for proper nerve function. Collectively, the cells of the immune system maintain a memory of what they intend to target, that much is evident, but the structure and nature of that memory is both very complex and yet to be fully mapped to the level of detail that would allow the many types of autoimmunity to be clearly understood. That these autoimmune conditions are all very different is evidenced from the unpredictable effectiveness of today&#x27;s immunosuppressant treatments - they work for some people, not so well for others. Many autoimmune diseases may well turn out to be categories of several similar conditions with different roots in different portions of the immune system.<p>Destruction of the immune system offers a way around present ignorance: it is an engineering approach to medicine. If immune cell populations can be removed sufficiently comprehensively, then it doesn&#x27;t really matter how they are storing the bad data that produces autoimmunity. That data is gone, and won&#x27;t return when immune cells are restored through cell therapies. The cost of that process today is chemotherapy, which is not to be taken lightly, as the results presented here make clear. A mortality rate of one in twenty is enough to give pause, even if you have multiple sclerosis. In the future, however, much more selective cell destruction mechanisms will be developed, such as some of those emerging from the cancer research community, approaches that will make an immune reboot something that could be undertaken in a clinic with no side-effects rather than in a hospital with all the associated damage of chemotherapy. Autoimmune diseases are far from the only reason we&#x27;d want to reboot our immune systems: as we age, the accumulated impact of infections weighs heavily upon the immune system, and its limited capacity fills with uselessly specialized cells rather than those capable of destroying new threats. Failure of the immune response is a large part of age-related frailty, leading to both chronic inflammation and vulnerability to infection, and it is something that could be addressed in large part by an evolution of this approach to autoimmune disease.
thatha7777almost 9 years ago
Does this teach us anything about the causes of MS, and potentially inform on preventative measures?
lvsalmost 9 years ago
A nice longterm study. However, the fact that they need to specify in the title of this lay article that &quot;this isn&#x27;t hype&quot; really says it all about science &quot;journalism.&quot;
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purpleideaalmost 9 years ago
I believe this <i>might</i> have been the study where 25%(?) of the patients were killed by the treatment. As a result, this is only indicated for the very severe RRMS (relapsing-remitting, not related to Stallman) cases.<p>I&#x27;m sure HN can correct me if I&#x27;m wrong, but the point to make is that this isn&#x27;t a cure.
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